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CIA's Bleka Outlook on Iraq Released
« on: September 16, 2004, 08:47:48 AM »
(CBS/AP) The National Intelligence Council presented President Bush this summer with several pessimistic scenarios regarding the security situation in Iraq, including the possibility of a civil war there before the end of 2005.

In a highly classified National Intelligence Estimate, the council looked at the political, economic and security situation in the war-torn country and determined that — at best — stability in Iraq would be tenuous, a U.S. official said late Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

At worst, the official said, were "trend lines that would point to a civil war." The official said it "would be fair" to call the document "pessimistic."

The intelligence estimate, which was prepared for Mr. Bush, considered the window of time between July and the end of 2005. But the official noted that the document draws on intelligence community assessments from January 2003, before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the subsequent deteriorating security situation there.

This latest assessment was performed by the National Intelligence Council, a group of senior intelligence officials that provides long-term strategic thinking for the entire U.S. intelligence community.

Acting CIA Director John McLaughlin and the leaders of the other intelligence agencies approved the intelligence document, which runs about 50 pages.

The estimate appears to differ from the public comments of Mr. Bush and his senior aides who speak more optimistically about the prospects for a peaceful and free Iraq. "We're making progress on the ground," Mr. Bush said at his Texas ranch late last month.

But there have been ample signs in recent weeks that the security situation might be deteriorating:


Kidnappers seems to be growing more brazen. On Thursday, gunmen abducted two Americans and a Briton on Thursday in a brazen attack on a house in an upscale Baghdad neighborhood where many embassies and foreign companies are based. Two Italian women were abducted Sept. 7 by armed men from their offices in central Baghdad.


The number of Americans killed in Iraq passed the symbolic threshold of 1,000 this month, and now stand at 1,016. More than 800 have died since Mr. Bush declared the end of major combat operations on May 1, 2003, and more than 760 have died as a result of hostile action.


More than 200 U.S. troops were wounded in Iraq in the past week, the Pentagon said Tuesday, and the total since the invasion was launched in March 2003 is now 7,245.


The number of Iraqi security forces is at 95,000 — far from the 200,000 U.S. officials had said were providing security as of March. Those forces have exhibited weaknesses during some clashes, including a high level of desertions during a surge of violence in April.


Numerous press reports have the estimated number of Iraq insurgent fighters rising from 5,000 to 20,000.


There are indications that diplomatic tension over the war has not eased. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said in a BBC interview that the Bush Administration's decision to go to war in Iraq was "illegal" because it didn't have U.N. Security Council approval. European Union external affairs commissioner Chris Patten said Wednesday that, "American neo-conservative unilateralism had clearly failed to establish an empire of peace, liberty and democracy."


U.S. military commanders have acknowledged there are "no-go" areas controlled by insurgents that they are not prepared to retake until Iraqi forces are up and running, which may not be until December. Elections are due in January.

A CIA spokesman declined to comment Wednesday night.

The document was first reported by The New York Times on its Web site Wednesday night.

It is the first formal assessment of Iraq since the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on the threat posed by fallen Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

A scathing review of that estimate released this summer by the Senate Intelligence Committee found widespread intelligence failures that led to faulty assumptions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Disclosure of the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq came the same day that Senate Republicans and Democrats denounced the Mr. Bush administration's slow progress in rebuilding Iraq, saying the risks of failure are great if it doesn't act with greater urgency.

"It's beyond pitiful, it's beyond embarrassing, it's now in the zone of dangerous," said Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., referring to figures showing only about 6 percent of the reconstruction money approved by Congress last year has been spent.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee members vented their frustrations at a hearing during which State Department officials explained the administration's request to divert $3.46 billion in reconstruction funds to security and economic development. The money was part of the $18.4 billion approved by Congress last year, mostly for public works projects.

The request comes as heavy fighting continues between U.S.-led forces and Iraqi insurgents, endangering prospects for elections scheduled for January.

"We know that the provision of adequate security up front is requisite to rapid progress on all other fronts," Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Ron Schlicher said.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said circumstances in Iraq have changed since last year. "It's important that you have some flexibility."

Hagel, Committee Chairman Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and other committee members have long argued — even before the war — that administration plans for rebuilding Iraq were inadequate and based on overly optimistic assumptions that Americans would be greeted as liberators.

But the criticism from the panel's top Republicans had an extra sting coming less than seven weeks before the U.S. presidential election in which Mr. Bush's handling of the war is a top issue.

"Our committee heard blindly optimistic people from the administration prior to the war and people outside the administration — what I call the 'dancing in the street crowd' — that we just simply will be greeted with open arms," Lugar said. "The nonsense of all of that is apparent. The lack of planning is apparent."

He said the need to shift the reconstruction funds was clear in July, but the administration was slow to make the request.

Before the war, Defense Department officials said the reconstruction of Iraq could be funded out of oil revenues. Civilian Pentagon leaders also disparaged then-Army chief of staff Gen. Eric Shinseki when he said several hundred thousand troops would be needed to secure Iraq after the invasion.

State Department officials stressed areas of progress in Iraq since the United States turned over political control of Iraq to an interim government on June 28. They cited advances in generating electricity, producing oil and creating jobs.

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2004, 11:46:38 AM »
Heard this on the radio.  Not a good look for Bush's re-election chances.   Its also not a good look for Kerry either.  If he does win Iraq is going to be on his plate and if ISH hits the fan, some of that blame will fall on his lap.  Whether Bush and his team started this or not.

But screw the election and our politics for a second.....the US really put the Iraqi's in a bad situation.  Sadaam was removed only to soon be replaced by small less organized war lords.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2004, 06:13:29 PM »
In retrospect it appears that Bush's decison to go to war with Iraq was Ill-concieved and ill-planned.

But I'm not at all sympathic to the Iraqis who are doing everything possible to prevent the stablilization of Iraq and a restoration of order, not to mention a rule based on law as oppossed to force.

By the way, don't be surprised when we start a war with Iran, as we now have troops and bases on either side of the country which is activley pursuing the development of Nuclear weapons.  

Even if Kerry gets elected, I still expect an invasion of Iran.  Most likely as soon as they can stabilize that area of Iraq.  

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2004, 08:04:44 AM »
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Heard this on the radio.  Not a good look for Bush's re-election chances.   Its also not a good look for Kerry either.  If he does win Iraq is going to be on his plate and if ISH hits the fan, some of that blame will fall on his lap.  Whether Bush and his team started this or not.

But screw the election and our politics for a second.....the US really put the Iraqi's in a bad situation.  Sadaam was removed only to soon be replaced by small less organized war lords.
LMFAO!!

ummm...last polls show Bush has now grown his lead over Kerry to 13 points...he was at 7 points last week.... :rofl:  
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2004, 08:23:24 AM »
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But I'm not at all sympathic to the Iraqis who are doing everything possible to prevent the stablilization of Iraq and a restoration of order, not to mention a rule based on law as oppossed to force.

It's not the Iraqi's, it's the insurgents that are doing that. In the end, their will be a civil war, when that happens, we could face the prospect of having an Al Quaida led country.  And with the news of this, and the economy, and the continuing no-exit strategy in the works plan with Iraq, in the latest poll, Bush has a double digit lead.

Bush would have gotten his arse handed to him on a silver platter if they would have picked another nominee other than Kerry. Most demo's I know like him LESS than Bush. Is that a way to win an election? Dare I say Gore would have had a better chance? Hillary?  WOW?
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2004, 08:34:09 AM »
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Dare I say Gore would have had a better chance?

Gore's a much better candidate than anyone running today.  And he was a much better candidate than Bush, and would have won easily had he not made such major mistakes in his campaign.

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2004, 08:47:26 AM »
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Dare I say Gore would have had a better chance?

Gore's a much better candidate than anyone running today.  And he was a much better candidate than Bush, and would have won easily had he not made such major mistakes in his campaign.
gore....as in Al?













oh...ok....  :crazy:


love the gruffy bear look he had...... :rofl:  
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2004, 08:49:16 AM »
I'm not electing a candidate based on looks.....

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2004, 09:22:57 AM »
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I'm not electing a candidate based on looks.....

 :crazy:
good cuz i was willing to bet you figured gore was the next best thing to the unibomber with beard of his... :D  
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