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« on: September 08, 2004, 08:45:03 AM »
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Lawsuit Uncovers New Bush Guard Records

[size=8]By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer [/size]
WASHINGTON - Months after insisting it could find no more records of President Bush Air National Guard service, the Defense Department has released more than two dozen pages of files, including Bush's report card for flight training and dates of his flights.
The records, released under pressure of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press, show Bush ranked in the middle of his 1969 flight training class and flew 336 hours for the Texas Air National Guard, mostly in the F-102A fighter.
The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials acknowledged Tuesday they had found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after the AP sued and submitted new requests under the public records law.
"Previous requests from other requesters for President Bush's Individual Flight Records did not lead to the discovery of these records because at the time President Bush left the service, flight records were subject to retention for only 24 months and we understood that neither the Air Force nor the Texas Air National Guard retained such records thereafter," the Pentagon told the AP.
"Out of an abundance of caution," the government "searched a file that had been preserved in spite of this policy" and found the Bush records, the letter said. "The Department of Defense regrets this oversight during the previous search efforts."
Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard has become an issue in the presidential campaign as the candidates spar over who would make the best commander in chief. Supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry , a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, have criticized Bush for serving stateside in the National Guard. Kerry's Republican critics claim Kerry did not deserve some of his five medals.
A group called Texans for Truth planned to launch an ad this week in which a lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Air National Guard questions Bush's absence from his National Guard service in Montgomery, Ala. The group says it plans to spend about $100,000 to run the ad.
The ad asks "Was George W. Bush AWOL in Alabama?" and implores: "Tell us whom you served with Mr. President."
In the ad, Bob Mintz claims he served at the same air base and in the same unit as Bush in 1972 but never saw Bush there. "It would be impossible to be unseen in a unit of that size," Mintz says in the ad.
Bush has said repeatedly he is proud of his Air National Guard service. As late as last week, White House spokesmen said the administration knew of no other records of Bush's military service.
"These documents confirm that the president served honorably in the National Guard," White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said Tuesday night.
Democratic National Committee communications director Jano Cabrera disagreed. "For months George Bush told the nation that all his military records were public," he said. "Now we know why Bush was trying so hard to withhold these records. When his nation asked him to be on call against possible surprise attacks, Bush wasn't there."
The newly released records show Bush, a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, ranked No. 22 in a class of 53 pilots when he finished his flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.
Over the next three years, he logged 326.4 hours as a pilot and an additional 9.9 hours as a co-pilot, mostly in the F-102A jet used to intercept enemy aircraft. Of the 278 hours he flew in the interceptor, about 77 hours were in the TF-102A, the two-seat trainer version of the one-seat fighter jet.
The records show his last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a lapse of duty between April and October of that year. Bush has said he had permission to go to Alabama in 1972 to work on an unsuccessful Republican Senate campaign. Bush skipped a required medical exam that cost him his pilot's status in August of that year.
Bush's 2000 campaign suggested the future president skipped his medical exam in part because the F-102A was nearly obsolete. Records show Bush's Texas unit flew the F-102A until 1974 and used the jets as part of an air defense drill during 1972.
A six-month historical record of his 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, also turned over to the AP on Tuesday, shows some of the training Bush missed with his colleagues during that time.
It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.
Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972.
As part of the mission, the 147th kept two F-102A jets — the same type Bush flew before he was grounded — on ready alert to be launched within five minutes' warning.
The records also show Bush made a grade of 88 on total airmanship and a perfect 100 for flying without navigational instruments, operating a T-38 System and studying applied aerodynamics. Other scores ranged from 89 in flight planning to 98 in aviation physiology.
The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.

It will be interesting to see if the outcry against this group who is privately funding the anti-Bush campaign will be as great as those for the anti-Kerry campaign.  After all, all the media supports Bush, right?  The outcry should be astounding (although it won't be).  I doubt that anyone will pressure Kerry to denounce these ads the same way that they pressured Bush!  

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2004, 09:23:43 AM »
When you return from denialville Randy then maybe you will join the rest of us in seeing that the stories on Kerry and his service DOUBLE the number about Bush.  So much so that there are non-profit groups charting everything.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2004, 11:33:09 AM »
I could care less, it's ancient history, just like John Kerry's vietnam record. Focus on the issues. The bad economy, the illegitamate war in Iraq, the WMD's, the secret capture of Osama, who will miraculously be captured in the next few weeks...

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2004, 01:52:59 PM »
Don't forget the secret discovery of massive stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq.

Couple that with the capture and globally televised shaving of Osama Bin Laden's beard, and Bush wins every state but Vermont, cuz Vermont is just plain psycho.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2004, 03:54:55 PM »
So Bush is a flip flopper. FIRST, he served his country well and met his obligations. THEN, he did not. (Actually, Bush hasn't responded yet, so he hasn't flip flopped YET.)  

I'm awaiting the news report of the untimely demise of the NCOIC in charge of military records.   :nod:  
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2004, 03:57:42 PM »
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So Bush is a flip flopper. FIRST, he served his country well and met his obligations. THEN, he did not. (Actually, Bush hasn't responded yet, so he hasn't flip flopped YET.)  

I'm awaiting the news report of the untimely demise of the NCOIC in charge of military records.   :nod:
101, you're thinking of the Clinton administration.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2004, 04:11:09 PM »
Clinton would kill him. Bush would label him a terrorist and imprison him in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba for the rest of his life.
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