westkoast So a TIE automatically goes in the favor of the team you personally choose? LOL Its crazy how much you are into your own self to where in a debate you honestly and truly believe a TIE should fall to your side of the debate.
You brought up the Suns better reg season record as part of your stance that the Suns were better.
Joe V I'm still asking myself how anyone thinking that the team that didn't come close to winning the diviision was better than the team the won the division.
It takes you quite a while but let me address you both on this.
You'll find in my writings a thread i did on Best Record = Championships? While home court advantage for the Finals wins at a good clip, the reg season best record is certainly not the key to a playoffs run. Now as to the Suns, have not you two seen enough of their glitzy reg season record only to fail during the playoffs? Granted, they ran into the healthy Timmy Dunkan Spurs at times when the Spurs were so good they could overcome Pops incompetence.
The game changes during the playoffs vs regular season. Gets more physical, court shortens up. The run n gun Suns putting up YMCA numbers simply failed to produce a title. Actually the same thing happened to Nash in Dallas. Please refrain from usual stupid comments "So you're saying Nash is all to blame for Dallas and Phxs failures?" I'm saying Nash had a fantastic year. Indeed the Suns had to come back from a 1-3 deficit in round 1 to the LA Lakers!
Which leads to a second point you use.
Nash was MVP. Since I am talking about a playoff game between Clips and Suns, don't wanna get too sidetracked on the regular season MVP. Notice what i wrote above about the differences between playoff ball and reg season ball? Timmy Dunks played the entire reg season and playoffs with severe plantar facias yet still owned Dork Novitiski and the Mavs in what should have been a back to back Championship. Nash had a fantastic reg season, no doubt. MVP? Not in my book. At any rate who was on the voting list? Westkoast you said Timmy Dunks was #7 in the lame sportswriters voting. It was actually....
Elton Brand. Eltie Brand had a career best in what had been an already excellent career. 24/10 along with excellent D. I have no problem with Eltie getting MVP votes and he would have been much higher then 7th in my voting.
westkoast - Won the division that both teams are in
Joe V Or how the team that finished in the bottom half of the seedings is supposed to be better than the team that finished in the top half of the seedings.
14-5 and took over sole 1st place after punking Phx 101-91 as both teams entered the game at 13-5.
What happened? Corey Megette went down and would play only 32 reg season games. I've never been big on MeGette but he had a career year going and was most def the 2nd scoring option opposite Brand. Was doing about 18 pts a game and pulling some decent rebounds along with his always getting to the free throw line/causing the opponent foul trouble.
Shaun Livingston also went down. That is why the Clips fell as far as they did in the reg season.
You may have been too busy watching Kobes Bryant lead the Lakers to a .500 record and Vancil probably doesn't even know where or what California is.
westkoast i think you will be reasonable on this injury point but if not, lets just compare the Lakers season and playoffs with and without their #2 guy.
westkoast 1) That doesn't prove the Clippers are the better team, it actually proves they are not the better team. Either hitting big shots or getting big stops at important parts of a playoff series is what separates good teams from great teams. That is what we are debating about now. Just need to remind you since you have a problem keeping up on things you bring up yourself.
2) YOU ALWAYS try to do this angle where if the team who wins isnt the one you personally wanted to win than they were gifted. Again this comes back to your love for all things Reality, a team only wins if thats the team you want to win. If it is a team you don't want to win well then a good play turns into a 'pivital series changing play' that either the refs helped out with or a player choked on purpose or any other reason than the team you don't think should win made a nice play. A guy makes a nice shot and instead of understanding plays are ran to get certain players open you always come back to this idea that the game was handed to the other team because the defensive player didn't block the shot. For someone who claims to be a basketball expert it truly amazes me how you've yet to understand that offensive players have the upper hand in this league. On top of that you fail to realize its easy to know exactly how to defend a player AFTER THE FACT when you watch it IN SLOW MOTION on a sports news channel or online.
Hardly an "AFTER THE FACT" analysis when a team that is up by 3 with one second to play fails to defend against a three. Why even bother guarding the two? That is kindergarden level requirement to know this. In Dumbleavys defense, he told the team that during the timeout.
Yes it could be hard to say the Clippers were "better". I would say the Suns were "less worse" in accepting the Clippers gift. My point on Clips being better was the above. I still think they had the better roster but in giving up the gift trey and game and imo series i guess they were not "better".
Joe V Now that Reality's thunder for that statement has been effectively stolen, perhaps he'll address the questions posed to him in this thread. But if you want a safer bet, bet that he'll harp on my OKC prediction.
And this "safer bet" you just made has the same result as your mega failed OKC prediction. Which you are
still butthurt over. Wow, I've been willing to move on for quite some time. What's it going to take to get you to
sincerely get over it?
