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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 08:00:09 PM »
Damn. Damnit. DAMNIT!
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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2010, 08:01:19 PM »
Is Gilbert on your fantasy team?

Would now be a good time to mention monta ellis is available?

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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2010, 08:55:44 PM »
Let's talk. In my distraught condition, you'll be able to work me over pretty good.
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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2010, 10:50:42 PM »
Let's talk. In my distraught condition, you'll be able to work me over pretty good.

My team is god awful - I'm just looking to shake things up :)

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A day after the Washington Wizards guard was photographed before a game in Philadelphia pointing his index fingers, as if they were guns, at his teammates,

What an idiot.
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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 09:37:44 AM »
A day after the Washington Wizards guard was photographed before a game in Philadelphia pointing his index fingers, as if they were guns, at his teammates,

What an idiot.

His teammates laughing at the gesture don't seem that bright either

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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2010, 12:46:20 PM »
From Hoopshype and the Washington Post.  Javaris is in it real deep as well.

The two players had been arguing during a card game on the Wizards' flight back from Phoenix Dec. 19, and the dispute spilled into the team locker room at Verizon Center before practice two days later. Arenas has acknowledged bringing his handguns to the arena and displaying them in the locker room that morning in what he maintained was a playful gesture aimed at his teammate. According to two first-hand accounts of the confrontation,  Crittenton responded to Arenas's action -- which included laying the four unloaded weapons in Crittenton's cubicle with a note that read, "Pick One" -- by brandishing his own firearm, loading the gun and chambering a round. Washington Post

Neither witness said the gun was ever pointed at Arenas, but both said Crittenton began singing as he held the gun. Arenas began laughing, the witnesses said, telling Crittenton, "Look at that little shiny gun," as two other players slowly retreated to the training room. Washington Post

Two of the five people in the room that morning, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Arenas had originally not disclosed Crittenton's action to protect the little-used guard from prosecution and had told Crittenton he would assume full responsibility for the actions of both players that day. Washington Post

In a two-hour interview with police and federal prosecutors Monday, Arenas, in his version of the story, spoke of Crittenton's loaded gun, a person with knowledge of Arenas's testimony said. Washington Post

Crittenton's gun, according to the witnesses of the altercation, was never found. Both witness accounts said they were unclear how the gun was disposed of. Washington Post

Mark Bartlestein, Crittenton's agent, declined to comment. Crittenton, in a series of text messages responding to a request for comment, said the account provided by the witnesses was "false." "I have done nothing wrong. Let the investigation process take its course and you will see that," he said. "My name is dying in this situation." Washington Post

"We still don't know all the details yet," a senior Wizards official said. "That's just one version of the story we heard." Washington Post
 

The dispute between Arenas and Crittenton began on the team plane during a popular card game between players called "Boo-ray." Crittenton lost roughly $1,100 to JaVale McGee, a Wizards center, in the game, according to a player who watched the game and who also spoke on condition of anonymity. Crittenton, already angry over a dispute over the game's rules, became irate when Arenas began needling him. Their barbs escalated to a point where Arenas, smiling, said he would blow up Crittenton's car, according to two players on the flight, who requested anonymity. Crittenton replied that he would shoot Arenas in his surgically repaired knee. Washington Post

Walking into the locker room two days after the dispute on the team plane, according to two witnesses, Arenas laid out the guns in Crittenton's locker. Two other teammates eventually sauntered in and, while Arenas was writing the note in front of Crittenton's cubicle, in walked Crittenton, according to their account. Asking Arenas what he was doing, Arenas replied, "If you want to shoot me, I'd just thought I'd make it easy for you." As other teammates laughed, Crittenton crumpled up the paper, tossed one of Arenas's guns across the room, where it bounced in front of a team trainer, and said he didn't need any of Arenas's firearms because he had his own, according to the witness accounts. Washington Post

A source familiar with Monday's meeting between Arenas and police and prosecutors said that prosecutors agreed to only use Arenas's statements as part of their investigation, not as direct evidence to be presented to the grand jury or to be used during a trial or hearing. Also, Arenas told prosecutors Monday that he would be willing to meet with them again or appear before a grand jury in the coming days if they requested. Washington Post

Arenas, reached by telephone in his Cleveland hotel room, where he watched the Wizards lose to the Cavaliers on Wednesday night, said he "respected" Stern's decision to suspend him. "He is the same man who put me on my second all-star team after I got snubbed by the coaches," Arenas added. "That decision came down for me. He made a tougher decision today that went against me. And I have to accept it." Washington Post

In the telephone interview, Arenas hoped he could soon meet with Stern. "That's not so I can ask him to reinstate me right now," Arenas said. "I just want to remind him of who I am. I'm the kid who jumped off the trampoline at the all-star game, the kid who throws his jersey to people in the stands. I'm not the hoodlum that's being written and talked about right now. "I'm sorry for my teammates, the city of Washington, the memory of Mr. Pollin and his family, and all my fans that support me and the game of basketball. I mean that. This shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't have got this far. I know that." Washington Post
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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010, 12:56:29 PM »
If that story is to be believed it's Javaris that should be suspended, not Arena's. That the other players got out of there, tells you something got them concerned enough that something might happen and that's very bad. According to the story Arenas wasn't even involved with the money, and was just ragging on Crittendon. 

No one as of yet has an official account, but Arena's bringing in the guns was really childish and stupid, and Crittenton's alleged response was much worse.

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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2010, 01:27:27 PM »
To make it worse did you guys know Vanessa Lopez, the girl Shaq was having an affair with, is Gilbert Arenas girlfriend lol
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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2010, 10:08:59 PM »
Ban them both.  If you let stuff like this you'll transport yourself back into the 70's when people were snorting cocaine on the bench (Bad News Barnes). The reason they aren't suspending Crittendon at this time is they don't have the gun.  Arena's guns the police have.  So convicting Crittendon would be more difficult if he went to trial since they don't have any evidence.

David Stern is an attorney.  He may not have be a trial lawyer but he understands the law enough and the NBA has a legal department that is competent enough to know what they can and cannot do without risking it being overturned in a court of law. There is a difference between a "preponderance of the evidence" and "beyond a reasonable doubt".

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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2010, 01:18:33 PM »
...except that David Stern is not bound by the same standards a court of law deciding guilty or not guilty is in a criminal manner.  Preponderence of the evidence is more than enough - especially to convince the jury of one - Stern.  And the offsetting factor isn't a court of law, but the players union.  Given that they've got an upcoming labor negotiation for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement, I don't think they're going to be all that gung-ho about a minor suspension for a minor player Crittendon as they are about a lengthy suspension for the highly-visible Arenas.
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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2010, 01:22:24 PM »
...except that David Stern is not bound by the same standards a court of law deciding guilty or not guilty is in a criminal manner.  Preponderence of the evidence is more than enough - especially to convince the jury of one - Stern.  And the offsetting factor isn't a court of law, but the players union.  Given that they've got an upcoming labor negotiation for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement, I don't think they're going to be all that gung-ho about a minor suspension for a minor player Crittendon as they are about a lengthy suspension for the highly-visible Arenas.


The whole reason I find this interesting still is because of how this whole players union/Wizards/NBA merry go round plays out.  I would assume the players union would fight tooth and nail against the Wizards to keep them from voiding Arenas contract.  If Arenas contract can be voided then I think it would be easier for other teams to say let Stephen Jackson go and get out from under a player they over paid for.
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2010, 01:29:16 PM »
If Arenas is NOT convicted of a felony (and now there are rumors the guns weren't registered, and thus he din't have 'legal possession' (my term i don't know the legal one) of the guns - an DC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the unions - so felony charges are possible) - then it's going to be a murky not worth the fight kind of thing.  The union HAS to fight any void attempt if the felony conviction isn't attached to Arenas, because if they don't they open up a can of worms allowing teams to try and void bad contracts for any number of resons - it's a slippery slope for the union if Arenas doesn't have that felony contract.

You have to believe that when the CBA is renegotiated, voiding a contract for various activities such as this will be a sticking point - and the union will fight tooth and nail (this union fought tooth and nail against marijuana testing) and it will make it more interesting

David Stern is not a jury of one because he's answerable to a UNION and a collective bargaining agreement - it's not donald trump saying 'you're fired' - and PS Stern isn't the one who would void Arenas contract - it's the Wizards - Stern could 'ban' him from the game I guess - but I doubt that's likely (though if his contract gets voided I'd believe most teams would stay away from him in general)

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Re: Gilbert and Javaris sitting in a tree......................
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2010, 01:45:29 PM »
If Arenas is NOT convicted of a felony (and now there are rumors the guns weren't registered, and thus he din't have 'legal possession' (my term i don't know the legal one) of the guns - an DC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the unions - so felony charges are possible) - then it's going to be a murky not worth the fight kind of thing.  The union HAS to fight any void attempt if the felony conviction isn't attached to Arenas, because if they don't they open up a can of worms allowing teams to try and void bad contracts for any number of resons - it's a slippery slope for the union if Arenas doesn't have that felony contract.

You have to believe that when the CBA is renegotiated, voiding a contract for various activities such as this will be a sticking point - and the union will fight tooth and nail (this union fought tooth and nail against marijuana testing) and it will make it more interesting

David Stern is not a jury of one because he's answerable to a UNION and a collective bargaining agreement - it's not donald trump saying 'you're fired' - and PS Stern isn't the one who would void Arenas contract - it's the Wizards - Stern could 'ban' him from the game I guess - but I doubt that's likely (though if his contract gets voided I'd believe most teams would stay away from him in general)

I don't know.  I think a team would take a chance on Arenas.  He is a talented basketball player.  A number of teams could use him, im sure.  I mean teams continued to take chances on Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson heh
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