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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2009, 10:07:16 AM »
Maybe they can cut him... and then resign him to a 10 day contract in March.  that will fill some seats for a couple of games ;)

Its interesting that the possible best future line-up of Jrue/Iguodala/Thad/Brand/Spights has yet to be on the floor... ever.

BTW, maybe Jrue should change his name to Drue.  You know with "D" but has no "J".  Sorry, that was kind of weak, but its early.


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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2009, 12:47:55 PM »
Everyone is aware of the deal including AI. Stefanski talked with him about it, and made it clear to everyone that there would be no guarantee of starting or anything, and the non-guaranteed contract.

Iverson may not like it, and may even ask for an explanation, but he cannot complain about it without pissing off the team, or the coach. 

Besides, it will get AI on our side with regard to getting rid of Jordan!

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« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2009, 12:59:04 PM »
If Brand can come off the bench, so can Iverson.  Playing 20-24 mpg in two stints, one each half, would be perfect for him.  Brand doesn't like coming off the bench, but he's doing it an causing minimal problems.  Hence, any claim by AI that he is being disrespected by being the first guard off the bench would ring even hollower than usual.

The team's future is Holiday, Williams, Young, Speights and Iguodala (as players or trade bait).  Hopefully Brand can put up good enough numbers that some contender is willing to pick him up at the deadline.  This team needed a good third guard to start the season and Iverson can give them that.  Defensively you just can't start Iverson and Williams (although they probably will) and I don't see Iverson outplaying Williams at this point once Williams is back to full speed.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2009, 01:03:03 PM »
All I want for Christmas is a Brand for Z trade, where the Sixers buy out Z so he can rejoin the Cavs.

Of course Santa probably knows better...

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« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2009, 01:10:20 PM »
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If Brand can come off the bench, so can Iverson

It's not a matter of can - it's a matter of will - and history indicates that Iverson will not come off the bench happily - there's what one wants and there's reality.

Brand and Iverson are not the same person.

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All I want for Christmas is a Brand for Z trade, where the Sixers buy out Z so he can rejoin the Cavs.

Cleveland does that why?



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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2009, 02:33:01 PM »

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All I want for Christmas is a Brand for Z trade, where the Sixers buy out Z so he can rejoin the Cavs.

Cleveland does that why?


Well that would essentially give them Brand for free (since they can re-sign Z after he is bought out)- which could put them over the top.  So if they think adding another championship piece keeps Lebron then they would at least consider it (Brand would be an upgrade at PF.)

But more likely the Cavs know Lebron is gone and will avoid taking on more bad contracts.

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« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2009, 02:36:00 PM »
I don't think Lebron is a 'lock' to be gone (especially not in the way Bosh is a lock to leave Toronto and they should just trade his ass and get what they can) as much as people say and I personally tink Brand is still a really solid player who could be had for pennies on the dollar.

Chad Ford in his chat today said that with the cap and tax projected to go down again next year you might see some lopsided (Pau Gasol) salary dumps...a smart team with expiring contracts could make some strong moves if that's true.

However, the sixers aren't smart, so I expect that if a 'gasol' type deal happens that elton brand will be traded for kenny thomas and spare cheap parts

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2009, 04:19:15 PM »
Why anyone thinks we should trade Elton Brand needs to explain themselves. He's a 20 and 10 guy and they aren't common. Just because this coach is an idiot and doesn't know how to use him, is irrelevant to this man's talent and ability.

With the right coach this team can compete for a championship this season. There isn't a team out there with two better front court players than Speights and Brand. Or at least none that can outscore them.

Don't kid yourself about what it takes to win in the NBA playoffs. It takes a half court offense with Big men who can post up and score and draw fouls. All the competing teams have this. Lakers have Gasol and Bynum. Celtics have Garnett and Perkins. The Cavaliers have Shaq. Orlando has Dwight and Lewis. Are any of those combo's so much better than Brand and Speights that we would lose based on that match-up? These are the players the team has been missing, the components that allow them to play well and execute in the half-court, an offense that is difficult to stop or disrupt.

Dalembert is a good back-up in the NBA, an above average shot-blocker. Jason Smith needs to play more, to give us more big man depth.  The biggest problem I have with Eddie Jordan is his determination to play Thad Young as a 4. If Thad was used as a three, that would give Jason the opportunity to develop. This team has more than enough guards, and enough big men if they were all used. But at the small forward spot all we have is Andre and Carney and Kapono. Carney doesn't get any PT(I don't understand why, and Kapono does which I understand even less.)

It gives us such a size advantage when Thad plays 3 that it is really stupid not to take advantage of. And it also makes sense to play Elton or Marreese or even Jason Smith at the 4 instead.

You may not believe this, but there is actually less of a difference between being a winning and losing team than you might imagine.  There has to be sufficient talent, and there has to be a working strategy on offense and defense using the right combination of players. And while the Sixers have appeared to be a losing team, injuries and a bad coach are the reason they have such a poor record.  Not having Brand and Speights hurt this team, as did losing a 20 pt. scorer in Lou Williams.

This team has yet to have a night when Lou Williams, Andre Iguodala, Thad Young, Elton Brand and Marreese Speights were all playing together, healthy and clicking on all 5 cylinders. They were on the floor together in the Clipper game, but Lou wasn't himself. (They did get the Sixer back into the game with that group, however.  If they weren't down so far to begin with thanks to Jordan's idiocy, this game would have been a win. If Lou was making his shots it would have been a win. 

Eddie is the only thing standing between this team and a long winning streak. Even Utah is winnable.
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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2009, 07:11:58 PM »
Why anyone thinks we should trade Elton Brand needs to explain themselves.

Team bad.
Key players ages 19-25
team at tax threshold and likely has little more than MLE money in nay of the next 4 years.
Brand will make 15M,16M,18M ages 32-4.

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« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2009, 09:46:46 PM »
I'm not sure I said the sixers should trade Brand, I think the SIXERS think the sixers need to trade brand (as numerous reports have indicated) and their cost conscious cap fearing cowardice combined with a shrinking tax number could mean they'd trade him for pennies on a dollar.


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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #70 on: December 23, 2009, 12:19:25 PM »
What was with Jordan yanking the lineup that overturned the deficit and built a 7 point lead so that he could experiment with that awful triple big man lineup with Speights, Smith, and Brand?  That didn't work?  Wow... who would've thought? 

To cap it off Eddie Jordan style, he calls for us to foul in a single possession game with a 10 second differential from shot clock to game clock.  Great stuff, Eddie. 

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #71 on: December 23, 2009, 05:34:54 PM »
I know I'm going to be alone here, but I've actually come to feel sorry for him.  I'm not even being facetious.  I honestly believe he possesses not one ounce of basketball coaching know-how.

The look on his face last night revealed for me someone who wanted it very badly, but not one of someone who knew how to go get it.

He is way-in over his head.

And I almost feel like it's not even his fault.  It's like you and I coaching ballet.  I need the job; I'm not going to say 'no' to the money.  But down deep I know that I know nothing about an arabesque.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #72 on: December 23, 2009, 06:18:44 PM »
He's being paid by 2 NBA teams.  I don't feel sorry for him at all. 

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2009, 11:33:19 AM »
Feel sorry for the GM's he suckered into hiring him! Give him credit for at least being a good confidence man. He talks mumbo jumbo about the vaunted Princeton, then ruins the team with inconsistent and poorly thought-out line ups, playing his starters off the bench and his bench players as starters, no defensive structure and no understanding of how to control and win games.

In fairness to him, the same thing happnened in Washington, and it took them time to start winning. But that's was a bad way to go, since this team doesn't need a fancy offense to get shots. They could score and win with a vanillia offense, since they have post up players. The real problem is consistent floor presence and he doesn't know who on his team provides it. Like Ricky said he is in over his head.  It's ruining our team.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2009, 05:10:20 PM »
I can't say I feel sorry for Stefanski.  I think he blows chunks.

Yet he came here with much fanfare. 

When I have time I'll review how we compare to before he got here.  But in my estimation...he's done diddly squat.  PLUS he's annoying and goofy and giggly.  Can't stand him.