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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #105 on: January 06, 2010, 06:02:37 PM »
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The Sixers were up by 18 points because Washington could not hit the little chippies. Then they started hitting these chippies. Today, Jordan was asked if maybe you go with better defenders at that point in a game.

Jordan shrugged it off and said, "And then not score the ball efficiently?" To which the questioner responded, "Maybe when you're up 18?" Jordan responded: "Your best players should be good defenders and that?s what we?re trying to get to. Trying to get our best players to defend as a unit, defend indiviudually, so you can have balance. There?s no such thing as unbalanced. Good teams don?t just put five defenders on the floor. Your better players are your defenders."

oh my god.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #107 on: January 06, 2010, 06:05:00 PM »
Dammit Jem, I came on here just to post that.  Kate Fagan is quickly establishing herself as the best sportswriter in this city.  She has identified the core problem with this team and has just written two spot-on articles that confirms what everybody else has been suspecting.  And she has a great writing style too.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #108 on: January 06, 2010, 06:08:41 PM »
Dammit Jem, I came on here just to post that.  Kate Fagan is quickly establishing herself as the best sportswriter in this city.  She has identified the core problem with this team and has just written two spot-on articles that confirms what everybody else has been suspecting.  And she has a great writing style too.

Plus, and yes it's entirely sexist of me, but I don't care, how cool is it that your best beat writer for your pro (non WNBA) sports team is a woman?  That's awesome.

But watch her get shut out of anything to do with the sixers for the rest of the stefanski/jordan regime?

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #109 on: January 06, 2010, 06:18:45 PM »
I don't really know how much access she has to begin with beyond basic media credentials.  That being said, I wonder if the Sixers are aware what happened when the Royals blackballed Rany.  If they are, I highly doubt they would be willing to risk that much negative PR.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #110 on: January 06, 2010, 06:21:36 PM »
Wait - someone noticed something the royals did?

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #111 on: January 06, 2010, 06:28:30 PM »
Unfortunately for the Royals, they had two of the best sportswriters in the country covering them (Rany and JoePos).  Rany got blackballed for his negativity (no, really, the Royals banned him from their stadium and told the radio stations he appeared on that they would lose all access if they let Rany on the air).  Rany quit writing indefinitely at the end of the season.  JoePos just wrote a 9000 word article on how much the Royals suck.  I know more about the Royals than any team other than the Phillies, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who can say that (with insert local team instead of the Phillies).

Also, just read that depressedfan article.  He forgot to mention the fact that about 1/4 of the Sixers' games can't even be seen by a large chunk of their fanbase, and especially college students, the very people they keep trying to reach.  I'm sorry that my college does not provide me with a digital box to get channel 8.  And my school actually has Comcast.  But yeah, this is getting ugly.  For every step we take (or could take) forward, we take two steps back.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2010, 10:06:57 PM »
Where was AI in the 2nd?
Where was Carney all night?
Too much Iggy.  (He looked spent to me, late.)
WAY too much time for a struggling Young.

Oh, and :08 is the perfect amount of time to execute a play you've worked on incessantly.


That's what I got for now.  Goodnight.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2010, 12:00:29 AM »
AI shot 3-6 in the second half.  He didn't get the ball all that much. It appeared to me that he was getting freezed out.

Thad and Iggy played 24 minutes each the second half, Sammy played 22 of 24 minutes. Speights had 8 points in 9 minutes the first half and then played 2 minutes the second half, came in cold gave up 4 quick points to Bosh and that was it.

Iverson with 5 minutes left hit two straight shots to tie the score.  Thad then missed 4 shots.  Earlier in the quarter he was 0-3 with three turnovers over 6 possessions. Allen shot the ball one more time the rest of the game. Allen gets a steal with less than a minute to go and passes the ball to Iggy who then goes one on three against 2 seven footers and a 6'10" player and gets his shot blocked.

We gave up 59 second half points and Carney didn't play the second half and Speights only 2 minutes when Sammy got his 5th foul. 

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #114 on: January 09, 2010, 12:37:29 PM »
And the best defensive point guard had how many minutes total?

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #115 on: January 09, 2010, 12:53:04 PM »
My personal theory is that EJ was feeling the pressure from his horrible 12 man rotation and his idea of fixing it is to leave the same lineup on the court for the whole 2nd half... completely disregarding the fact that it was the front end of a back to back.  Speights/Carney/Holiday should have come in for the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th to give some of our starters a rest.   

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #116 on: January 11, 2010, 09:38:59 PM »
I honestly think that was a great win.  The Sixers actually looked competitive, against a good (and red hot) team. 

And - slap me if I'm wrong - it's the first time I actually thought the substitutions made sense.  I mean, I'd be thinking, "ok...time to get Iggy back in" - and a minute later...he'd be in.  "Time for less Young..." - a minute later, he's out.  It was almost eerie. 

And - this I refuse to believe:  But could it have been possible that Eddie INTENTIONALLY switched Sam to West at the end...so he'd not switch to defend Paul?  And that he actually PLANNED for Carney to be the 'switcher'?

Say it isn't so!


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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #117 on: January 11, 2010, 11:00:00 PM »
There's definitely some visible changes.  I like the shortened rotation, 7 or 8 guys with 1 or 2 others playing situationally.  I'm pretty sure Lou hurt his ankle late in the third quarter, which got Jrue on the court when he should be.  Didn't like that they were leaving him on a complete island 1v1 against Chris Paul, and he pretty much got abused, but that's what you get when you put a rookie on Chris Paul with absolutely nobody to help.  Thought that Thad should've played over Willie in the 4th quarter, especially considering he started to find his stroke in the 3rd.  Thad is also noticeably better popping out to help defend the pick and roll.  Glad to see Speights nailed to the bench.  Didn't think I'd say that, but until he learns to pass the ball, he should stay on the bench.

All that being said, there's a lot of positives the last two games.  Maybe we can make a run at this after all.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #118 on: January 12, 2010, 12:46:24 PM »
There definitely has been some improvement, but it's far from fulfilling this team's potential.  21 points in a quarter is bad scoring, and the Sixers did it twice. Getting outrebounded by the other team and giving up 19  O-boards is pathetic against a team like the Hornets.

Not playing Speights enough is not a good thing, it's a serious mistake. First off with regard to his passing, he shoots a higher percentage than any other player on the team. More often that not, he SHOULD be taking the shot. The idiot who critisized him for not passing, know less about basketball than some Women I know. In fact, the negativity surrounding him is moronic, considering his potential. Best post up scorer the Sixers have and Jordan only finds 5 minutes for him? That's bad coaching.

Brand fouled out of the game last night and Sam also got into foul trouble. Having Speights and Smith ready to play is integral to this team's long-term success.  And continuing to start Thad at the 4 is also stupid. How many times does Sammy do a good job defending the first shot only to have another player make the 2nd? Sam can't do it by himself, and Thad isn't strong enough to keep most 4's off the glass.

It was an Ok win, but it shouldn't have been anywhere near this close a game.  Eddie tends to play some way too many minutes, and it usually costs us the game. You don't want bad players out there, making mistakes. But fatigue causes mistakes too.

The problem is Jordan has more confidence in his guards than he does his big forwards. We go 4 deep in the backcourt with Lou, AI, Willie and Jrue. But no one really spells Sam when he is out, and Speghts gets very little time, meaning that the Center and Power forward spot are only being manned by 3 players. Sam, Elton and Thad. Meanwhile Speights and Smith sit on the bench not getting any experience or providing any rest for the others who are getting overworked.

This also keeps Iguodala as a 3 and not a 2. Which forces Eddie to play Thad as a 4 which he is not.  A third of the way into the season, you'd expect more out of Smith and Speights, who while raw both show potential to be solid players. This has been a problem with the Sixers for years, before it was because we didn't have these players but now it's because the coach is unwilling to use his bigs to create mismatch problems for the other team. If your team can have a height advantage that's a good thing!

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #119 on: January 12, 2010, 03:04:47 PM »

Not playing Speights enough is not a good thing, it's a serious mistake. First off with regard to his passing, he shoots a higher percentage than any other player on the team. More often that not, he SHOULD be taking the shot. The idiot who critisized him for not passing, know less about basketball than some Women I know. In fact, the negativity surrounding him is moronic, considering his potential. Best post up scorer the Sixers have and Jordan only finds 5 minutes for him? That's bad coaching.

1.  Speights has not been playing well.  I challenge you to - without even MENTIONING his offense - make a case for him playing.
2.  It wasn't me who mentioned his lack of passing...but that's pretty offensive language just the same.  Not entirely of the spirit upon which this Board was built.  Take it from me. ;)
3.  You mentioned points allowed and yielding too many boards...yet you WANT more Speights.  That doesn't make sense, imo.  Speights does ONE THING well.  He has potential, yes.  But this team loses because of DEFENSE, not offense.

Frankly, last night when Brand fouled out...I wanted SMITH to come in.


And continuing to start Thad at the 4 is also stupid.

Now THIS I agree with.  Time to start Brand again.


This also keeps Iguodala as a 3 and not a 2.


...which is a good thing.  He's not a 2, imo.