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Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« on: November 12, 2009, 10:31:47 AM »
Mind you, as a Philadelphian, I find anything 'mediocre' to be unacceptable.  And so, to that end, I cannot tolerate our new head coach - Eddie Jordan.  Mr. not-even-mediocre.

The Sixers have been completely average these last two seasons.  Get excited all you want about Lou Will's offense; Speights' highlights (on offense); flashes of Iggy, etc etc  You're still left with mediocrity.

Ok.  That we all know.

But what we DO have is youth, energy, athleticism.  It is those qualities that he needed to come in here and harness and use to our advantage.  "Make the most of what you got", as they say. 

The NBA is famous for tolerating overpaid, pampered, offense-only-minded "talent".  And so when you are lucky enough to oversee a team with all that youth and energy, the logical approach - in my mind - is to play more ferociously on defense than every other team out there.  Crash the boards with urgency.  Hustle plays that the other teams' vets just aren't willing to make.

That's the ONLY way we win with a team like ours.  We don't have half the talent necessary to compete otherwise.  And no other team plays the way I describe for 82; they just don't.

So what have we here?  What wise, veteran coach can we bring in here to implement such an obvious game plan?  Hmmm...hey, I know!  How 'bout EDDIE JORDAN?  He of the 230-288 career record!  HE can do it!!

Okee doke.  So let's see what we've got.

Well, he spent the entire training camp 'perfecting' the Princeton offense.  Ok, I said at the time, I'll buy in.  Why not.  Get everyone involved...keep moving...use that athleticism.  Fine.

But what was he doing to prepare his eager squad for the other 70% of the game?  Ya know, rebounding and defense?

And this is where I have issues. 

Big ones.

Night in and night out I find myself yelling, "WHY DO WE HAVE NO REBOUNDERS IN THE GAME???"  What jackass would leave us exposed like that?  Jesus - I want TWO rebounders in there at all times.  Yet, I'm forever seeing a combo of, like, Speights and Thad in there as our "Bigs".  Maybe even Kapono.  NO WONDER OUR LEADING REBOUNDER AVERAGES 7 REBOUNDS PER GAME!!

Eddie: get your head out of your ass.  THE most important thing in basketball is HAVING the ball.  NOTHING is more important than rebounding.  It ends the other team?s possession, and begins our own. 

1.  We are giving up FIVE more points per game than we did last year.
2.  Opponents FG% is up from last year.
3.  We are grabbing 1.5 less boards and giving up 1 more.  Our offensive rebounds are down 2.5!  (Inexcusable for a team with such youthful, athletic energy)
4.  Your ingenious Princeton offense scores one single basket more than we did last year.  Two.  Points.  (It's actually yielding one less shot attempt.)

Goddamn Carney shoots 35% and grabs pretty much no rebounds.  Yet I seem to see him in there all the time.  You sit ELTON GODDAMN BRAND for entire quarters.  He's a 20/10 guy, for Christ sake!  (Is he still?  I dunno.  How can anyone know with those minutes played.)

We struggled to beat the Nets last week; and eked one out against them again last night.  You had to know it killed Eddie to go to Sam in the 4th when Lopez - of all people - was destroying us (23/14 on the night for a 13/8 career guy).  It almost looked to me like Sam was thinking, "Yeah?  Ya want me to go in there to stop that guy?  Screw you a-hole.  You made this bed, YOU sleep in it."

But Sam (whom I've never been a fan of, as you know) went in...and with almost no effort righted the Sixers on to a victory.  Easy peasy.

Will Eddie Jordan stop trying to force-fit our team to fit HIS 230-288 style?  I sure hope so.  Because this team remains mediocre right now, at best.  It just accomplishes that distinction in a slightly different way this year is all.



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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2009, 10:53:46 AM »
I do have some issues with Eddie Jordan so far, his use (and excuses for said use) of Jrue Holliday make no sense...his benching of the kid after a mistake or two last night and never playing him again in the game when some defense could have been used from his guards and his constant DNP-CD for the kids 'psyche' give me a lot of pause.  I don't believe he's helping Jrue develop, and I think the treatment could lead to him over thinking his game because of the 'one mistake and you sit' mentality that Jordan seems to be using with him.

Some comments yesterday about how starters 'earn' their time in training camp and it's a sensitive thing kind of bother me because it could sound like Jordan doesn't think a guy can earn the starting job in the regular season when the games actually count.

Not to mention - willie green still plays

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2009, 11:01:51 AM »
A gross omission on my part.  Yes, Jrue Holliday is another example of Eddie's curious (way too-kind-a-word) coaching style.

I still have less issue with Willie Green than most everybody here (which could, perhaps, mean that IM wrong)...but nontheless, there is much to gripe about.

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 03:01:45 PM »
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Entering last night's game against the winless Nets, Jordan had yet to play Holiday in a road game.

"Is that right?" Jordan said. "There's a certain comfort level for me to get the vets out there . . . and his time will come."

There is nothing that pisses me off more than "I want to play the vets."  Nothing.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 04:30:48 PM »
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There is nothing that pisses me off more than "I want to play the vets."  Nothing.

Especially when Holliday is better than one (Ivey) at something Jordan thinks that vet is good at (defense)

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2009, 02:23:49 PM »
Some intersting stuff about Jordan, seems like he is not going to make changes any time soon for fear of upsetting certain players:

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What to do with Elton Brand(notes)... In a nutshell, the Princeton offense works best when their is only one post player on the floor, and the 76ers currently start two (Brand and Samuel Dalembert(notes)). The Princeton offense necessitates that you have a three-point shooter (or three) on the floor to spread things out for cutting players and the single post option - Jason Kapono(notes) is the sole long-range sniper on the team, and he runs with the second unit. When Marresse Speights is on the floor, it's often in a small lineup where he is the single "big" and Kapono is also involved. To me, it's a no-brainer that the starters are struggling, particulary relative to the team's second unit. What is Eddie Jordan's take?

"When you deal with the starting lineup, that can be a sensitive issue among the players. I don't want to touch a nerve right there right now. Look, are there reasons or are there some reasons for me to warrant to change the starting lineup? Yeah, because our second group has been playing very well. I like the way Marreese has been playing, I like the way Jason Smith(notes) has been playing ... but does that warrant me to change the starting lineup? No, not right now."


Okay, Eddie. More food for thought: take a look at the top two units here, note the singular difference in personnel, and then the marked difference in both offensive and defensive efficiency. While it's true that we're not dealing with large sample sizes, I'm not sure how he can say that a change in the starting lineup isn't already warranted... Brand will continue to post poor numbers for at least as long as there is no shake-up in the rotation. If Jordan makes the obvious switch, then Brand has significantly more hope for a turnaround, and that's magnified if Brand is occasionally allowed to be the single "big" in the lineup, as it's almost exclusively been Speights in that role to this point.

I am not sure if the writer is suggesting that they bench Sam or Brand, but that is the second non-Philly writer I've seen this week suggest that they just send Sammy to the end of the bench until he becomes an expiring contract.  They already suck defensively, maybe with a smoother offence they could outscore some teams at least.

Bench Sammy and start either Jason Smith or Carney (please, not Willie) and give the bulk of 4-5 minutes to Smith, Speights and Brand.  Kapono is too slow to be a starter, but should get regular minutes off the bench, as should Holiday.  Is it ideal or even great?  No, but it would be better than what they have now.

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2009, 02:25:42 PM »
I read that quote earlier this week and it kind of bothered me especially since on the flip side, what about the guy who has 'earned' it in the games that count?  What about his sensitivity?  Or the rookie who makes one mistake and sits the rest of the game?  What kind of message is that?

I read something earlier today about a lou/jrue back court in a game against phoenix, and jordan said he didn't remember that back court...which was kind of amazing to me

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2009, 10:40:22 PM »
No excuse for Holiday not playing in that 4th quarter tonight.  In a garbage period where the game was out of reach Jordan elects to go with a back court of two combo guards as opposed to our rookie point guard.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 12:45:38 PM »
On Libertyballers they had some great quotes from disgruntled Wizards fans.  Now these type of complaints are common for any bad team, but some really jibe with the problems we can already see:

http://www.libertyballers.com/2009/11/13/1156561/sixers-lose-to-williams-less-jazz#25562100


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My hatred for EJ knows no bounds. Under his idiotic regime the Wizards have been one of the worst teams in the league defensively and have the absolute lowest basketball IQ. He has ridden the talents of Gilbert Arenas for long enough. It?s time for the Wizards to dump this loser and get an legit NBA coach in here.
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I can?t even watch this team play any more. between the lack of intensity early in games, the lack of defensive rebounding, the wide open 3s, its just too frustrating.
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It?s time for a change. This team needs a greater commitment to defense ? Eddie has had opportunities to do this, and our defense has only become worse. And I find his favoritism to be completely unprofessional.
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any coach with half a brain would play Andray over Ruffin..but not you you moron. Fire Eddie!
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Jordan?s the reason fans boo Haywood. Brendan?s a far better player than Eddie Jordan is as a coach. Washington?s success is due to Arenas, Jamison, Butler, and when he plays Haywood. Jordan?s total disregard of statistics that point to the ineffectiveness of Jarvis Hayes has led me to conclude he?s biased in favor of Hayes. Same for Etan Thomas. Jordan plays favorites and is a close-minded coach. Play veterans, tough guys, and guys that show effort is the reason Blatche never plays while Ruffin often does, as the Wizards lose. Blatche and Haywood are by far the best offensive rebounders on the team, but Jordan would rather get beat playing short Cs and small ball. I think Eddie Jordan is very overrated as a coach, and the Wizards will be terrible defensively as long as his staff and his pet players are on the team. Lastly, he?s going to get swept in the playoffs before he realizes Mason?s a better shooter than Stevenson.
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Exceptional as individual talents, mediocre as a team ? It could only be the coachs fault.
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He?s holding this franchise back. His ?leading? this team to 3 straight playoffs happens to coincide with the arrival of Arenas and Jamison, Hughes having a career contract year, and Butler making his first all star game. Is he leading, or along for the ride?
Misconception: Eddie Jordan hasn?t led the Wizards to three straight playoff appearances, he?s been riding the ?Hibachi? for the last three years. Stop giving credit where none is due!
This man is being carried by 3 extremely talented players and the extension he signed last summer set this team back years. Please, its time to go in a different direction.
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What ridiculous subsitution patterns. Why haven?t we seen Blatche in the playoffs, especially given the defensive rebounding difficulties?

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 11:28:06 PM »
yeah... Jrue Holiday and Elton Brand are the new Blatche and Haywood. 

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 08:57:10 PM »
Hey - Brand looks decent with expanded minutes.

Who'da thunk it.

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 09:42:55 PM »
Hard to get too jazzed by that win.  To struggle against .500 teams should tell you something about how we stack up.

Eddie:  When we are being out-rebounded, to the point of losing in the 4th, it's time to withdraw your head from your ass and put #1 in there.  Maybe tonight for Young.  Who stunk.

Iggy: You are 40% as good as you think you are.  Running, wildly, into the lane with :30 was ill-advised.  Lucky they called a foul on them, not you, on the loose ball.  Make your damn foul shots, you choker.  And stop crying after every whistle.  It's unbecoming. 

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Re: Eddie Jordan Stinks.
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 05:16:10 PM »
Well, apparently Brand can play 40 minutes and be effective...

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 11:16:52 PM »
I know he was good - but the bobcats are terrible and how many actual power forwards do they have?  And chandler had a pinched nerve and only played about 15 mnutes...i'm not exactly getting my hopes up just yet

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2009, 12:31:52 PM »
I know he was good - but the bobcats are terrible and how many actual power forwards do they have?  And chandler had a pinched nerve and only played about 15 mnutes...i'm not exactly getting my hopes up just yet

Agree.  Not taking anything away from Brand's game the other night, but Charlotte was running a lineup that was just as small as ours.  Brand will be covering guys a lot bigger than Boris Diaw on most nights.  At least tonight he'll be matched up against Z-Bo who cares less about defense than Eddie Jordan does.  Wouldn't be surprised to see Marc Gasol dominate Sammy.