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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2009, 08:22:37 PM »
Wow the Grizz just said F-U to the Blazers front office....

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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2009, 11:55:18 PM »
First of all, let me say that I don't object to the Blazers stating that if a team signed Miles FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF HURTING THE BLAZER CAP SITUATION, they'd seek legal remedy.  It's one thing for a team to pick up Miles, with the intent of playing him, for the purpose of winning game, and it's another thing to do it simply to kill a team's cap space.

However, I have to wonder if there's another purpose behind Portland coming out and threatening legal action against anyone for interfering in "perspective economic opportunities"?

This statement serves as a warning for folks other than simply NBA teams.  It issues a warning of legal action if you interfere with the operation of the Blazers.

Given that this is a small-market team, could the Blazers be setting the stage for litigation against some else - for example, a shoe company - that offers compensation based upon destination?  It won't be long before Roy, Oden, Aldridge, and Webster will be looking for money.  If New York is unsuccessful in getting James, might they ponder a run Roy?  And if so, would a third party like a shoe company look to sweeten the deal? 

Personally, I think the Blazers are setting the table for a larger issue that they see looming on the horizon.  They're not going to have money to go after big name free agents for very long, any way, and the top ones - other than James - are at positions where the Blazers are in good shape anyway.  I see this as them taking an opportunity to put their hat into the ring on what will certainly be one of the next issues for small-market teams in the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2009, 02:56:16 PM »
First of all, let me say that I don't object to the Blazers stating that if a team signed Miles FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF HURTING THE BLAZER CAP SITUATION, they'd seek legal remedy.  It's one thing for a team to pick up Miles, with the intent of playing him, for the purpose of winning game, and it's another thing to do it simply to kill a team's cap space.

How is than any different than when a team threatens to screw up the draft?  I remember the year that the Magic had the #1 pick and they wanted Penny.  They had a deal in place where they pick Bradley with the #1 pick then trade him to Golden State for the #3 pick of Penny.  Then Philly threated to take Penny with the #2 pick because Philly wanted Bradley with the #2 pick since they figured the Magic didn't need Bradley after they had just picked Shaq the year before.  The Magic and Warriors had to re-work the deal to be a Webber for Penny swap. 

That reminds me of what a horrid organization the Sixers are, why do they still have fans?

I will not respond to the remaining "uni-bomber-like" rant of your post Joe!  :P
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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2009, 05:14:20 PM »
First of all, let me say that I don't object to the Blazers stating that if a team signed Miles FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF HURTING THE BLAZER CAP SITUATION, they'd seek legal remedy.  It's one thing for a team to pick up Miles, with the intent of playing him, for the purpose of winning game, and it's another thing to do it simply to kill a team's cap space.

However, I have to wonder if there's another purpose behind Portland coming out and threatening legal action against anyone for interfering in "perspective economic opportunities"?

This statement serves as a warning for folks other than simply NBA teams.  It issues a warning of legal action if you interfere with the operation of the Blazers.


I really believe that their "hope" with this effort is to get the 6 pre-season games kicked out and not counted.  If someone picks him up solely for a couple of games and then releases him and he doesn't sign again, then the Blazers will argue that the 6 pre-season games with the Celtics should not count against the 10.  I think it adds credence tho their argument as well if Memphis plays him for less than 8 more games, and then releases him. 
If he gets 10 regular season games with Memphis that is one thing, but if he plays 3-4 more with Memphis and they release him again, then that is only 5-6 regular season games, and Memphis released him before his contract was guaranteed, and then signed him to 10 day contracts.  That signals that they had concerns and didn't want to take that kind of risk, so they limited their risk to day contracts.  That I believe gives them leverage to argue the 6 pre-season games shouldn't count.  It is not a strategy with a great chance of prevailing, but not much risk in doing so.  Stern is a dictator, so he could rule in your favor, who knows.  If he gets to 10 games, and then he is released then any action by the players association is no longer relevant.  He got his 10 games in at least for this year, and the Blazers email now no longer matters.  It didn't stop him from getting a job, and anyone who signs him from here on out is not doing so to screw the Blazers because the Blazers are on the hook in any case.
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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2009, 10:36:28 AM »
My question is "Why would Miles do that?"  If he wants to play, he won't sign with the Blazers.  And if he signs with the Blazers, then he's just doing this for the money, which, in my mind, validates the Blazers dumping him in the first place.

Portland really has no recourse.  They were foolish to sign this guy to such a lucrative deal in the first place.

I may be mistaken, but I believe Miles will get his money whether he plays or not. It comes down to whether Portland has to apply that money toward its cap limits.
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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2009, 11:10:19 AM »
My question is "Why would Miles do that?"  If he wants to play, he won't sign with the Blazers.  And if he signs with the Blazers, then he's just doing this for the money, which, in my mind, validates the Blazers dumping him in the first place.

Portland really has no recourse.  They were foolish to sign this guy to such a lucrative deal in the first place.

I may be mistaken, but I believe Miles will get his money whether he plays or not. It comes down to whether Portland has to apply that money toward its cap limits.
All the guys fighting and scratching for an NBA roster spot, and Miles pulls off the guarantee.

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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2009, 09:33:23 AM »
This entire episode is bizarre.  I don't know what I think about the leagues actions here.  Part of me says that is appropriate the Blazers have already walked away from Darius, but another part of me says that is total BS.  The players association should have a bigger issue with this.  Miles had a chance to get picked up and have his deal guaranteed for the remainder of the season, and the league said no, you have to accept 10 day contracts.


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Before the Portland Trail Blazers resorted to a threatening email to frighten rival NBA teams from signing Darius Miles, team officials late last week made a brazen bid to claim the forward off waivers only to be stopped by the league, multiple front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.

So determined to salvage the salary cap space that would come with the foiling of Miles? comeback from a devastating knee injury, Portland president Larry Miller and general manager Kevin Pritchard apparently were willing to stash Miles on the sideline and keep him away from other NBA teams.

In denying the Blazers? move to control Miles, NBA front-office sources say that league executives in New York denied the waiver claim because they believed the Blazers were merely trying to circumvent league salary cap rules.

Once the NBA rejected Portland?s waiver claim, Miller sent an unprecedented threat of legal action for any team that signed Miles as a free agent. Several league executives were aware of the bid on Miles and reacted angrily over what they considered hypocrisy.

After playing two games for Memphis this month, the Grizzlies had waived Miles to avoid guaranteeing his contract for the rest of the season. Nevertheless, an undeterred Memphis promptly signed Miles, a 6-foot-9 forward, to a 10-day contract Saturday.

Portland wanted to prevent Miles from playing an additional two games that would?ve nullified the benefit of salary cap relief, the Blazers? main retirement-injury benefit. Miles? return to the Blazers? cap could cost Portland owner Paul Allen as much as $8 million in luxury tax payments to non-tax paying teams.

Once Miles plays 10 games this season, the $18 million left on his contract returns to the Blazers? books over the next two years and severely punctures Portland?s opportunity to sign a star player to complement its good young core of players.

After Yahoo! Sports reported last week that Miles? six preseason games with the Boston Celtics counted toward the 10, Portland was frantic to derail a rush of teams who wanted to sign Miles and potentially damage the Blazers? free-agency plans. Miles has played eight games toward the total of 10, and could reach nine Tuesday night when Memphis plays Cleveland.

The NBA Players Association has already blasted the Blazers? email with Miles and promised to file a grievance with the league, and executive director Billy Hunter called Portland?s email an ?attempt to intimidate the other 29 teams? and a ?clear violation of the anti-collusion? provision of the collective-bargaining agreement.

When reached Monday night, the agent for Miles, Jeff Wechsler, said, ?Once again, all we?re concerned with is Darius continuing his playing career. He?s shown he can play and we just want to make sure he has the right to work.?

The Blazers? email to rival team executives and owners late Thursday night threatened legal action to any franchise that signs Miles for the ?purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers? salary cap and tax positions.? The email cited Wednesday?s Yahoo! Sports report that revealed Miles was just two games ? not eight, as previously believed ? from returning to Portland?s cap.

?The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions,? Miller wrote in the email to representatives of every NBA team.

?Such conduct by a team would violate its fiduciary duty as an NBA joint venturer. In addition, persons or entities involved in such conduct may be individually liable to the Portland Trail Blazers for tortuously interfering with the Portland Trail Blazers contract rights and perspective economic opportunities.

?Please be aware that if a team engages in such conduct, the Portland Trail Blazers will take all necessary steps to safeguard its rights, including, without limitation, litigation.?

Miller told reporters in Portland on Friday that the team was not trying to block Miles? return to the NBA but sending a message to rivals who wanted to intentionally hurt their financial interests.

?We were hearing a lot of rumblings and rumors that there were teams out there planning to sign Darius Miles specifically and maliciously to hurt our organization,? Miller said. ?This was our way of responding to that and letting folks know that we were not going to take it sitting down.?

Portland signed Miles to a $48 million contract in 2004, a move that Pritchard had regretted when he took over the franchise. After Miles suffered a micro-fracture injury to his right knee in 2006, missing seasons, doctors representing the Blazers and NBA agreed that the damage was too severe for Miles to return. Still, Miles had insisted that he would try to come back to the NBA if the knee ever healed, and that?s exactly what happened.
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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2009, 10:06:12 AM »
Portland can kiss that cap space goodbye!!!  Miles can definately play.

From ESPN:

Darius Miles is clearly no longer "medically unable to play."

The former Trail Blazer had 13 points in 12 minutes of action in the Memphis Grizzlies' 102-87 loss Tuesday at the hands of the Cleveland Cavaliers. He made 4 of 6 field goal attempts and sank 5 of 7 free throws.

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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2009, 10:12:24 AM »
Portland can kiss that cap space goodbye!!!  Miles can definately play.

From ESPN:

Darius Miles is clearly no longer "medically unable to play."

The former Trail Blazer had 13 points in 12 minutes of action in the Memphis Grizzlies' 102-87 loss Tuesday at the hands of the Cleveland Cavaliers. He made 4 of 6 field goal attempts and sank 5 of 7 free throws.


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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2009, 10:23:58 AM »
Portland can kiss that cap space goodbye!!!  Miles can definately play.

From ESPN:

Darius Miles is clearly no longer "medically unable to play."

The former Trail Blazer had 13 points in 12 minutes of action in the Memphis Grizzlies' 102-87 loss Tuesday at the hands of the Cleveland Cavaliers. He made 4 of 6 field goal attempts and sank 5 of 7 free throws.


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Miles has a chance to hit the 10 game mark on Friday vs the Jazz. 
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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2009, 10:22:16 PM »
I heard Miles played tonight.  Blazers just got PWN3D!

I read that the Blazers will be in the mood to dump salary now that Miles is going to hit the books.  I don't know their cap situation but is there someone the Spurs could go after?  If there is someone that could help the Spurs I will hate Miles fo-life!
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Re: Celtis sign Darius Miles. Will this screw the Blazers?
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2009, 02:31:15 PM »
Raef LaFrentz would probably be helpful to someone...

Ditto with Channing Frye....
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