6ers give Andre Ig's an 80 million dollar contract for 6 years

[westkoast]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26176605/

Anyone think they paid too much?  I do see him as an emerging star, love his defense, and he might make the all-star team this next year if Philly can start the first half of the year like they did the second half of last year....but that's 13 million a year.....quite a lot for a non-allstar (at this point)

[Reality]

yes and no.  Since so many NBA players are overpaid today, it's probably the going rate.
Dabods and the Phillyoids can give the exact details on the other side.  Like did Philly in a sense have to give him that much?  (Or risk losing him next season to either Euro or another NBA team).

Brand does nothing but help Igs both X and Os and in the leadership dept.   I dont think Igs is a natural born leader.  I think Brand most definitely is.  Hence Igs can relax and be 2nd or third banana.  Kind of like how Odom benefitted from Gasol being colluded over.  Took a lot of pressure off him.  I like the combo of Brand/Igs.  Philly cleans up on the boards and has lots of O also.  If Dumbert can only.....really just hold his own.  The Spurs succeeded with Rahso and Nazr in two seperate Championships so Dalembert can contribute.

If Philly can stay healthy they can make plenty of noise in the East.

[WayOutWest]

IMO Igs is an over rated player.  He's not in the class of Kobe, LeBron and IMO he's not in the same class as T-Mac, VC and Wade.  He may get there someday but he is limited offensively and that's what the NBA covets.  He's just as athletic as any of those guys buy his skills fall far short.

Somebody was going to pay Igs that kind of money, that seems to be the going rate for a 3rd/4th tier player, although Igs is probably a solid 3rd tier player.

[Derek Bodner]

Conflicting reports.  both sides say the deal isn't agreed to yet.  some reports are 6/72 with incentives that could take it up to 80, some are 6/80 with incentives that could take it higher.

[westkoast]

Conflicting reports.  both sides say the deal isn't agreed to yet.  some reports are 6/72 with incentives that could take it up to 80, some are 6/80 with incentives that could take it higher.

Any word on what the incentives are?

I know the NBA overpays for crappy players so when a good one comes along they throw money at them.  Though when you look at some of the players better then Igs and what they make per year, it seems like quite a bit.

[Reality]

True but look at some of the ones outgaining him.
Igs 6@72 would be about 12 per year.

1) Kevin Garnett $22,000,000
2) Shaquille O'Neal $20,000,000
3tie) Jermaine O'Neal $19,728,000
3tie) Jason Kidd $19,728,000
5) Kobe Bryant $19,490,625
6tie) Allen Iverson $19,195,312
6tie) Stephon Marbury $19,195,312
Tim Duncan $19,014,188
9) Tracy McGrady $19,014,187
10tie) Baron Davis $16,440,000
10tie) Shawn Marion $16,440,000
12tie) Antawn Jamison $16,360,090
12tie) Dirk Nowitzki $16,360,090
12tie) Paul Pierce $16,360,090
15) Ray Allen $16,000,000
16) Ben Wallace $15,500,000
17) Sam Cassell $15,344,000
18) Rashard Lewis $14,884,951
19) Michael Redd $14,520,000
20tie) Amare Stoudemire $13,762,775
20tie) Yao Ming $13,762,775
22) Pau Gasol $13,735,000
23) Andrei Kirilenko $13,725,000
24) Mike Bibby $13,500,000
25) Joe Johnson $13,488,378
26) Zach Randolph $13,333,333
27) Vince Carter $13,325,000
28) Rasheed Wallace $13,140,000
29tie) Carmelo Anthony $13,041,250
29tie) Dwyane Wade $13,041,250
29tie) LeBron James $13,041,250
29tie) Chris Bosh $13,041,250
33) Kenyon Martin $13,000,000
34) Richard Jefferson $12,200,000
35) Larry Hughes $12,000,084
36) Wally Szczerbiak $12,000,000
37) Gilbert Arenas $11,950,400
38) Raef LaFrentz $11,813,750
39) Peja Stojakovic $11,664,000
40) Carlos Boozer $11,593,816
41) Steve Nash $11,375,000
42) Jason Richardson $11,111,110
43) Kirk Hinrich $11,000,000

[rickortreat]

IMO Igs is an over rated player.  He's not in the class of Kobe, LeBron and IMO he's not in the same class as T-Mac, VC and Wade.  He may get there someday but he is limited offensively and that's what the NBA covets.  He's just as athletic as any of those guys buy his skills fall far short.

Somebody was going to pay Igs that kind of money, that seems to be the going rate for a 3rd/4th tier player, although Igs is probably a solid 3rd tier player.

Who ever said he was the equal of a Kobe or LeBron?  He's also not getting the kind of money they do either!

Any player who averages nearly 20 pts. 5 boards, 5 assists and 2 steals a game is a very good player, and as close as you can get to being elite without actually being one.

He's not limited offensively either, just not completely developed.  He is a four year player who has improved his average every year, and has also clearly worked on his body and conditioning.

I think the Sixers were a bit generous considering no team made an offer for him in free agency, but it's clear the Sixers consider him a major component towards a Championship.

He's likely to make all-star next year thanks to being on a competitive team, and I think his scoring will continue to go up. They may have overpaid, but Andre is a quality player and teammate and not a prima donna like that player in LA.  All things considered, a pretty reasonable deal in the current NBA.

[jemagee]

He's not limited offensively either, just not completely developed.  He is a four year player who has improved his average every year, and has also clearly worked on his body and conditioning.

Oh, he's limimted offensively, PPG doesn't really tell you how limited he is offensively, he has little to no perimeter game, terrible 3 point shooter, and still has issues finishing at the basket...some of those things are no better than when he was a rookie.

And I find it highly doubtful he'll make the all star game next year

[WayOutWest]

He's not limited offensively either, just not completely developed.  He is a four year player who has improved his average every year, and has also clearly worked on his body and conditioning.

Oh, he's limimted offensively, PPG doesn't really tell you how limited he is offensively, he has little to no perimeter game, terrible 3 point shooter, and still has issues finishing at the basket...some of those things are no better than when he was a rookie.

And I find it highly doubtful he'll make the all star game next year

Uhmmmmm....yea...what he said........

You basically hit on why I think he's a 3rd/4th tier player.  Very limited perimeter game plus he is not a good ball handler.  He is impressive at the basket but that's more about athletic ability than it is about skill.  He's a poor mans Magette.

[jemagee]

He's a better ball handler than people think, he's a quality defender and a very good passer but needs to cut down on the acrobatics...he can run an offense and play the 1-2-3 defensively, if he's a '3rd tier' player he is one of the best in the league

[Derek Bodner]

He's a poor mans Magette.

He's a poor man's maggette offensively.  But he's a significantly better defender, play maker, and overall a better player IMO.

[jemagee]

Yeah, what he said

[Lurker]

He's a poor mans Magette.

How can anyone making over $13 mil a year be called "poor"?

[westkoast]

He's a poor mans Magette.

He's a poor man's maggette offensively.  But he's a significantly better defender, play maker, and overall a better player IMO.

That I agree with as well.

Really though his jumper is not scaring anyone in this league.  Though I am sure this is something he is probably working on as we speak.  How many players come into this league and don't have a solid perimeter game until 5-6 years in the league? 

He is one of the better defenders in the league and while he's limited offensively I wouldn't say he's a 4 tier guy....

[rickortreat]

He's a poor mans Magette.

He's a poor man's maggette offensively.  But he's a significantly better defender, play maker, and overall a better player IMO.

That I agree with as well.

Really though his jumper is not scaring anyone in this league.  Though I am sure this is something he is probably working on as we speak.  How many players come into this league and don't have a solid perimeter game until 5-6 years in the league? 

He is one of the better defenders in the league and while he's limited offensively I wouldn't say he's a 4 tier guy....

Andre can create his own shot, so labeling him as a limited offensive player is inappropriate. Admittedly his first step needs work, but he does have the physical ability to do anything on the court. His outside shooting was a weakness that he has yet to fully address, but IF he can improve his percentage from the outside, it will add another dimension to his game.  Playing at the 2 spot, he has an advantage over a lot of players, and the Sixers will not be outdone most nights at that position. Getting by Tayshaun Prince is a lot more difficult than getting by Chauncey Billups. Another aspect that Andre hasn't worked on much is posting up. Playing at the 2 should make that something Cheeks will want to work into the offense.  He certainly likes doing that with Miller.

What would you say that Andre needs to do to be worth the money he's being paid?  Would 23 pts. 5 bds. 5 assists and 2 steals be enough?  What else should he have to do?  Kobe makes over 19 million, 7 mill more a year and he puts up 28.3 pts. 6 boards 5 assists and 1.8 steals.  Kobe shot .459 from the field Andre shot .456. Kobe has a big edge in outside shooting and that's it. He averages 9 more points, 1 more board and 1 more assist for that extra 7 mil per year.  Maybe Kobe is being overpaid!