Fantasy can you tell me all the playoff games where Kobe has been bailed out by the refs on the final play?
Not even Kobe gets that call. Just like Reggie said in the post game, you're not going to get that call unless you raise up and shoot. Even then, it's tough to get that call on the last play of the game.
Kobe gets that call 100% of the time. Had Barry jumped into Fisher like he should have, Reggie, Kenny, Charles and i dare say this board unanimously agree Barry would get the call for sure. For 3 FTAs. Bad move putting the ball on the floor for sure.
Malarky. I know you're blinded by your love, but Kobe does not get every call especially touch fouls 30 feet from the basket with 1 second left on the clock while he's dribbling. No one get's that call ... sorry.
I'm happy to breakdown DVR with you, Reality, but what's the point? We can both agree there were some bad calls both ways throughout the course of the game.
I was all for addressing this:
It was ridiculous for a while there at the end of the 1st and in to the 2nd qtr. Kobe taking 29 shots and not getting to the free throw once? WTF?
along with WoW and much of Laker Nations drizzle about how the whole game the Lakers should have gotten 10-20 more FTs then the Spurs. I would also like to address specific plays where Duncan took it to the foul plauged Laker frontliners but none of you want to go there, apparantly.
I'll take this opportunity to use one of your favorite moves:
Spurs FT's = 26
Laker FT's = 19
Kobe FT's = 0
Not much of a discrepency, but you can't use your usual argument that the Lakers and Kobe get all the calls. It just didn't happen last night.
Regarding specific fouls against Duncan, I saw plenty of plays under the basket that could have been called both ways that weren't. I think for the most part last night, and in the series as a whole, the refs let them play. I also think it balances out, even though the Spurs shot 7 more FT's in a game where the Lakers were clearly the aggressor.
Did they outplay the Lakers at all in that game?
For stretches? Absolutely. I would call it 50-50 for who was outplaying who and when. In fact the Spurs made many more stupid mistakes that benefitted the Lakers/kept the Lakers in the game then vice versa.
Sure boths teams played better at certain points in the game, but how can you call it 50/50 when the Spurs never led? On their home court, they never once took the lead and you're saying it was 50/50? BS.
They had several opportunities to take the lead and throughout the course of the game and simply missed open looks. Did you at any point in that game feel the Spurs were the better team that night?
Totally agree and swinging the ball to tired Parker for wide open Js while people like Bowen and Findawg passed up open jumpers was to the Spurs undoing. Also many of the wide open 3s had a Laker defender bullrushing the Spurs shooter. Fake the shot, put the ball on the floor and either get a closer shot or take the ball to the rack if possible. See what happens. They died by the 3 or long jumper with the wrong players taking the shot.
Agreed. You still think it's 50/50?
Do you honestly believe the officials were the deciding factor in that game?
On the final play absolutely. The game as a whole, once again Poppycock is Phils bitch. That is obvious and cumulative.
Okay, then let's look at the critical play before that. The play where Fish's shot clearly hit the front of the rim and bounced off of Horry out of bounds. The shot clock should have been reset which would have meant the Spurs had to foul the Lakers, game over. We wouldn't even be discussing Barry's dribble.
It starts from the top with Popovich, and every player down the road said that call was a non-factor and they gave credit to the Lakers to sticking it to them in their building.
Tim Duncan is the "top' of the Spurs and Coatails Pop should be considered a dream come true opponent coach for any RealLakers. If you can't see the Phil Winters-Pop Cementhead disparity then i cant help.
I won't even address your inability to see Pop as a great coach. Reading your posts every day, it actually makes sense to me that you can't grasp what a great coach he is.
First, the Spurs are class acts, and even if they believed it, they wouldn't cry about it. Second, and more importantly, they were on the court and they know they were badly outplayed and didn't deserve to win. So they're not giong to come out and cry about a no call at the end of the game that would likely never be called in any game. Take a lesson from "your team".
First, i think anyone truly interested in fair hoop likes to see calls made correctly, irregardless of the team or player and especially with end of game altering calls. People who lable others "crying" about clearly wrong calls to merely show their defensivenes and unwillingness to objectively talk about a call. There is nothing classy about approving/condoning wrong calls, be those calls for or against Kobe, Shaq, Duncan or anyone. That none of the Spurs players or Lord Poppycock would condone the call is like whatever to me.
Its a sad state of pro sports all this situational calling/noncalling. It's also obvious that not only the NBA but MLB and the NFL have no real interest in getting the majority if not the vast majority of calls correct with their lame nonuse of replay.
That having been said, yes the Spurs more then had their chances all game long and should not let it come down to a blown call like that. Starting Finley was retarded and was yet another Pop special. The 22-8 deficit was a tough one to overcome.
You're darn right I want to see the game called correctly. I'm also objective and intelligent enough to realize that there are bad calls both ways in every single game and 99.9% of the time it balances out. My point was and still is that last night it more than balanced out.
That said as a fan I never want to see a game be decided by the refs making a chicken-s!@# call 30 feet from the hoop on a dribble. If a player takes it strong to the hoop and is fouled, call it. If they're taking a jumper and get knocked on the arm call it, but I don't want to see touch fouls 30 feet from the hoop on a non shooting play get called to decide a game in the playoffs. I'd feel the same way if it was Kobe who took the weak sauce dribble instead of taking the shot and got fouled.
I think most fans, coaches, players and GM's agree that they'd rather the refs let the players win or lose the game on the floor. That's why you often see refs swallow their whistles at the end of a game unless it's an obvious foul in the act of shooting. Last night was a perfect example of a good non-call down the stretch.
