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Offline rickortreat

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2008, 09:21:47 AM »
Depending on the seedings they should get to the 2nd round.  They are playing at a higher level now than every E.C. team with the exception of Boston (9-1) and Orlando (8-2).  And, no matter how many games Orlando wins, it still won't get that bad taste of loosing to the Sixers out of their mouths.

IMO the Magic, Celtics and Pistons will have no problem with the Sixers.  The harsh reality of playoff basketball with hit the Sixers in the form of a 4-0 or 4-1 series loss.  The only teams the Sixers can upset are the Raptors and Wizards.  If they Sixers face the big three in the East in the first round they will be done for the simple fact they Sixers are an inferior team.  We will see come playoff time.

What is it?  Are you related to Reality?  "The simple fact they Sixers are an inferior team" 

THAT IS NOT A FACT!!!!  It is an opinion.  I also don't go for ebonics.  "they Sixers" is not even close to proper English.  I have a hard time accepting and valuing opinions from people without a working command of the language.

It's clear you have an opinion, but apparently you are having difficulty explaining that opinion.  The difference between the Sixers and the teams you look upon more favorably, is that they have been winning all year, while the Sixers haven't been playing good ball for more than 25 games.  AS far as playoff experience goes, apart from Detroit and Cleveland, none of the other teams have much at all.  So with no real experience to separate them, the only edge any of these teams have is longevity and a better season long record.

But over the past 25 games the Sixers have played as well as any of those teams you say are better, and in many cases, they have played significantly better, which is why they are now only 2 games out of the 5 sport and 4 games out of Cleveland's 4 spot.

Not only that, but they have been defeating good teams all the way.  Orlando, Dallas, Phoenix, Detroit, San Antonio....  The 4 western teams are all playoff teams and are suppossed to be head and shoulders above the East.  Yet a lowly 7th place EC team beat them all.  Explain how they beat those teams playing their game and then tell me why the Sixers can't compete in the playoffs!

The only difference is that the Sixers are younger than the other teams and are learning on the fly.  But they have learned how to play as a team, and have learned how to win well enough to beat the best teams.  You think they can adjust, I think whatever they do won't be enough in many cases, because the Sixers out hustle other teams and place pressure on the ball handlers.  Unless you can get your players to work harder all of a sudden, or find a better point guard on your bench, you can't adjust to that pressure.

The only team in the East that scares me as a Sixer fan is Boston.  The Sixers haven't found a way to handle Bostons's defense yet. The rest of the teams are just as flawed as the Sixers.  Orlando doesn't have a good point guard.  Detroit is old, and we match - up with Detroit better than any team in the league.  Cleveland still has to integrate all of those new players into the line-up and right now the Sixers are catching them for their spot.  They also don't have guards who can match with Philly's.

Soon, all the sportwriters will be talking about the upstart Cinderella Sixers.  Just remember where you read it first.

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2008, 09:25:37 AM »
You know -- Brett Favre brought up this point Rick that should help you understand this concept -- Favre COULD continue to play football but what he is struggling with is preparing to play on Sunday (all the game tape you have to watch, etc.).  When a team gets ready to play Boston, I would bet you all the gold you own that they watch a LOT more game tape than they do of the Sixers.  Should they take the Sixers as seriously as they do the Celtics -- well, no, but they should come prepared to play.  However, you just beat this great team and then you let down in the next because your emotions were so high and this game just doesn't count as much (well, it didn't for the Pistons or the Jazz, etc.).  

However, ALL of that changes when you get to the playoffs -- instead of just facing the Sixers -- they will sit down and watch game tape and focus on how to BEAT the Sixers.  That doesn't really happen at this point for the Sixers but it will once the playoffs begin.  That's when the Sixers are going to begin to have a hard time to execute their offense and then they will learn whether Cheeks and the Sixers can adjust to what the other team is doing.  

You should take a deep breath -- nothing wrong with being excited by how well your team is doing but your assumptions of the playoffs based on a couple of weeks in the regular season don't add up.  You've been watching basketball long enough to know that.

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2008, 09:32:53 AM »
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Not only that, but they have been defeating good teams all the way.  Orlando, Dallas, Phoenix, Detroit, San Antonio....  The 4 western teams are all playoff teams and are suppossed to be head and shoulders above the East.  Yet a lowly 7th place EC team beat them all.  Explain how they beat those teams playing their game and then tell me why the Sixers can't compete in the playoffs!

I really wish there were a yawn smiley here -- it would be appropriate:  Why is it that you fail to see what is happening when you mention some of those teams?  Do you think that the Rockets should be saying that they know they can take a healthy Lakers team in the playoffs because they beat them on Sunday (without Bynum, Gasol, and Ariza)?  You talk about how the Sixers beat Dallas, Phoenix and Orlando but fail to mention that those teams weren't at their best (injuries, trades, etc.).  How far do you think the Sixers would get without Iggy?  Not to mention that you are missing a dynamic in basketball (I posted that while you were posting this -- I'm not going to post it again).

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Soon, all the sportwriters will be talking about the upstart Cinderella Sixers.  Just remember where you read it first.

Oh, we will remember your words all right -- you are digging yourself a hole.  Your record on prognosticating isn't very good -- remember how Dalembert was going to be the next Shaq?   ::) ::)

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2008, 09:41:41 AM »
I know the playoffs are different and that season records don't mean anything when it comes to matchups and outcomes.

You're right, I have been watching basketball a long time, and I've seen it all.  But this year has been different, and there has been much more pressure on teams early to get into the playoffs.  IMO, in this day and age, NBA coaches have scouts going to every game. 

Of course teams will spend much more time going over matchups and working out strategy with teams they're matched up with in a series, but the Spurs didn't get where they are by Pop winging it every time they play!

The Pistons prepared for the Sixers, and the Sixers prepared for the Pistons.  The Spurs prepared for the Sixers as well, and probably assumed their superior talent would be enough.  The only problem was Parker and Ginobli weren't better than their Sixer counterparts, and Duncan couldn't make up for it with slammin' Sammy D guarding him.

Bottom line for me is that defense wins games.  And, the Sixers play a very good defensive game with high pressure and superior rebounding.  Until recently, they couldn't execute in the half court and couldn't beat a Detroit or an S.A.  They didn't even have players who could stretch the floor, until one came in off the bench and started throwing in three's!

Now, how does SA overcome that?  What strategy can they employ to beat the Sixers when they played their normal game and couldn't get it done?  Pop knows that Parker isn't all of a sudden going to play much better than he has, and no matter what he does he can't stop Andre Miller.  Ginobli couldn't play Igoudala any better, but it wasn't enough.  The Sixers bench outplayed SA's bench.  The real secret in the NBA is that you know what the other team is doing, but you don't have the personnel to stop it.

Everyone knows what Boston is going to do, they just can stop them from doing it.

The Sixers are missing a stud power forward, and their Center is a little subpar. But they're good enough to compete, and good enough to upset a lot of EC teams.

They learned how to run, so the better teams adjusted to force them play a half-court game.  That didn't work, the Sixers learned how to execute in a half - court game and still play defense.  That makes them a tough matchup for anyone.  Just watch.

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2008, 09:45:50 AM »
What is it?  Are you related to Reality? 
Remember when Xs3 or 101 during a discussion of the evolution myth vs creation whereupon Wow was propulgating another evolution myth, "either way, if you go back far enough WoW you're somebodys cousins brother"  :D paraphrase.

and rt, i thought and think the Sixers are doing pretty well.  I agree it's well beyond some little stretch of 5-6 games.

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2008, 10:21:18 AM »
What is it?  Are you related to Reality?  "The simple fact they Sixers are an inferior team" 

THAT IS NOT A FACT!!!!  It is an opinion.  I also don't go for ebonics.  "they Sixers" is not even close to proper English.  I have a hard time accepting and valuing opinions from people without a working command of the language.

I don't have time to spell check my post.  FYI: ebonics is with a capitol E.  I wouldn't mind you asking this board who's opinion is more valued around here or who's opinion is more/less idiotic.

It's clear you have an opinion, but apparently you are having difficulty explaining that opinion.  The difference between the Sixers and the teams you look upon more favorably, is that they have been winning all year, while the Sixers haven't been playing good ball for more than 25 games.  AS far as playoff experience goes, apart from Detroit and Cleveland, none of the other teams have much at all.  So with no real experience to separate them, the only edge any of these teams have is longevity and a better season long record.

But over the past 25 games the Sixers have played as well as any of those teams you say are better, and in many cases, they have played significantly better, which is why they are now only 2 games out of the 5 sport and 4 games out of Cleveland's 4 spot.

FYI, no comma after favorably.  I also incorporate the talent level of the teams in determining who is inferior.  The Sixers have inferior talent right now, the Sixer players may develop some day but right now only Iggs and Miller are proven commodities.  KG has plenty of playoff experience, most of it against the 4 time champ Spurs, nobody has faced the caliber of opponents as many times in the playoffs like KG has done.  Pierce has some experience as well durring their run a few years back.  What, if ANY, playoff experience can the Sixers rely on?  Of course any team can get hot and make a major run, much like the Rockets are doing right now, but IMO the Sixers will get to the second round at best IF they don't have to face one of the big 3 in the East.

Not only that, but they have been defeating good teams all the way.  Orlando, Dallas, Phoenix, Detroit, San Antonio....  The 4 western teams are all playoff teams and are suppossed to be head and shoulders above the East.  Yet a lowly 7th place EC team beat them all.  Explain how they beat those teams playing their game and then tell me why the Sixers can't compete in the playoffs!

FYI, "suppossed" is spelled "supposed".  Everybody has a let down.  Explain how the mighty Sixers lost to the Wolves?  So are the Wolves the 7th best team cause they beat the 8th best Sixers?

The only difference is that the Sixers are younger than the other teams and are learning on the fly.  But they have learned how to play as a team, and have learned how to win well enough to beat the best teams.  You think they can adjust, I think whatever they do won't be enough in many cases, because the Sixers out hustle other teams and place pressure on the ball handlers.  Unless you can get your players to work harder all of a sudden, or find a better point guard on your bench, you can't adjust to that pressure.

"You think they can adjust, I think whatever they do won't be enough in many cases, because the Sixers out hustle other teams and place pressure on the ball handlers." Are you asking a question or making a statement?  When the playoffs roll around and teams can focus on beating the Sixers it will be a very different story.  No team is going to be taken by surprise by the Sixers in the playoffs, that is where reality will hit the Sixers and their fans.  Teams will take away Iggs and Miller, what answer will the Sixers have then?  The Sixers will have to rely on unproven talent in the playoffs and that will make it much too difficult for the Sixers to succeed.

The only team in the East that scares me as a Sixer fan is Boston.  The Sixers haven't found a way to handle Bostons's defense yet. The rest of the teams are just as flawed as the Sixers.  Orlando doesn't have a good point guard.  Detroit is old, and we match - up with Detroit better than any team in the league.  Cleveland still has to integrate all of those new players into the line-up and right now the Sixers are catching them for their spot.  They also don't have guards who can match with Philly's.

FYI, it's "Boston's" not "Bostons's".  Like I posted above, when teams like Detroit and Cleveland can focus on the Sixers it will be no problem for those teams to dispatch the Sixers.

Soon, all the sportwriters will be talking about the upstart Cinderella Sixers.  Just remember where you read it first.

FYI, it's "sportswriters" not "sportwriters".  Like I said, we will see and my opinion is the Sixers will only get past the first round if they get a favorable matchup.
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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2008, 10:26:29 AM »
Remember when Xs3 or 101 during a discussion of the evolution myth vs creation whereupon Wow was propulgating another evolution myth, "either way, if you go back far enough WoW you're somebodys cousins brother"  :D paraphrase.

If you accept the science behind evolution and Evolution, then there is a gene pool from Africa which spawned us all.  I don't know if that is beyond your comprehension or not.  They even found everybody's "momma" so to speak.
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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2008, 10:30:24 AM »
Remember when Xs3 or 101 during a discussion of the evolution myth vs creation whereupon Wow was propulgating another evolution myth, "either way, if you go back far enough WoW you're somebodys cousins brother"  :D paraphrase.

If you accept the science behind evolution and Evolution, then there is a gene pool from Africa which spawned us all.  I don't know if that is beyond your comprehension or not.  They even found everybody's "momma" so to speak.
"They"?
True science backs creation, not evolution.

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2008, 10:34:43 AM »
Remember when Xs3 or 101 during a discussion of the evolution myth vs creation whereupon Wow was propulgating another evolution myth, "either way, if you go back far enough WoW you're somebodys cousins brother"  :D paraphrase.

If you accept the science behind evolution and Evolution, then there is a gene pool from Africa which spawned us all.  I don't know if that is beyond your comprehension or not.  They even found everybody's "momma" so to speak.
"They"?
True science backs creation, not evolution.

FYI, creation is NOT based on science.  If you don't agree then we don't need to discuss this any further.
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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2008, 10:41:01 AM »

FYI, creation is NOT based on science.  If you don't agree then we don't need to discuss this any further.
Perhaps the versions of "creation" you have been told do not.
True creation most definitely is backed by true scientific principles.
Nice discussion.

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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2008, 10:41:21 AM »
I wouldn't mind you asking this board who's opinion is more valued around here or who's opinion is more/less idiotic.

I vote for Miguel . . .

because Miguel is more or less idiotic. Hee Hee


Oh! We weren't voting?! What? Oh . . . sorry. I thought we were starting a poll there.
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2008, 10:44:41 AM »
I wouldn't mind you asking this board who's opinion is more valued around here or who's opinion is more/less idiotic.

I vote for Miguel . . .

because Miguel is more or less idiotic. Hee Hee


Oh! We weren't voting?! What? Oh . . . sorry. I thought we were starting a poll there.
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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2008, 10:47:19 AM »
True science backs creation, not evolution.

Wow. Did you guys know that fossils were put in the earth by Satan to deceive mankind and that carbon dating is a Luciferific myth?

Even I, the most religious "nut" on this board believe in evolution.
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Re: Sixers vs. Spurs Saturday Night.
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2008, 11:18:50 AM »

FYI, creation is NOT based on science.  If you don't agree then we don't need to discuss this any further.
Perhaps the versions of "creation" you have been told do not.
True creation most definitely is backed by true scientific principles.
Nice discussion.

Lack of disproving evidence carries no weight without supporting evidence.  That is like saying Aliens exist and they are responsible for our existence and civilization is true because there is no contracitory evidence.  Without supporting evidence that does not carry any weight.  What is the difference between that and creationalism?  What evidence do you have that what we all call "God" is NOT a very advanced alien?  NONE, but that doesn't make it true.
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2008, 11:27:18 AM »
Exactly.  Which is why Teds making up and/or citing some goofball false religions claim does not disprove creation anymore then my choosing one goofball *scientific* study disproves all other scientific studies attempting to prove evolution.

We could attempt to choose a specific subject, like carbon dating or "mutations", but if it's just going to be a debate with no discussion, is there any point?