Heat going for more ping pong balls with Wade out?

[Derek Bodner]

And just because theres no teams AT THIS SECOND who cannot persue him, doesn't mean they wont in the off-season.

I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone to pay him the max, I'm saying it's IMPROBABLE, which is what we've been debating the entire time.  You've said it's possible that other teams offer him money.  I'm saying it's improbable.

If you think it's probable that the clippers dump brand and offer Marion the max, we'll just have to disagree.

[westkoast]

And just because theres no teams AT THIS SECOND who cannot persue him, doesn't mean they wont in the off-season.

I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone to pay him the max, I'm saying it's IMPROBABLE, which is what we've been debating the entire time.  You've said it's possible that other teams offer him money.  I'm saying it's improbable.

If you think it's probable that the clippers dump brand and offer Marion the max, we'll just have to disagree.

I don't think the Clippers want to give up Brand but it's not up to them if his contract is done at the end of this season.  Ditto for Washington and Arenas.

[rickortreat]

How can they go for more ping-pong balls when they already have the league's worst record?

Marion may want to hang around to play with Wade and some new players next season. Now that Shawn's been exposed as a player who can't create his own shot, he's not going to be able to get max money from anyone.

[Laker Fan]

Marion would be a fool to walk away from 17 million dollars, SEVENTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Especially since, as Lurker pointed out, he is already making more than max money for what he brings to the court. He is only 30 years old so 1 more year alongside Wade, if he proves his worth, will add to to his value long term.

IMO he is a legit star in this league, not a star you build around but a star that can be part of an effective tandem. He stays healthy, (Missed 12 games the last 8 years), he is a consistant 18-10 forward, 2 steals per game, 39-40 minutes per game, #6 defensive boards, etc. And then there are the intangibles, he disrupts transition offense, is a pretty decent one on one defender and he stays out of foul trouble. Hmm, isn't that what Phoenix is getting from Shaq right now? I mean without the defense, without the transition game, without the steals, without the health, without the minutes, oh and without the point production. Yeah, this trade made ALL KINDS OF SENSE. Seriously, head case aside, Marion has an awful lot of upside, and he's is still no Ron Artest when it comes to baggage.

I think he stays with Miami for the money and pulls an Otertag, has a killer year and gets max money in FA.

[Reality]

How can they go for more ping-pong balls when they already have the league's worst record?

Going for the assurance of most ping pong balls.
Altho don't underestimate Jerry Wests work with Memphis.  They are still within range.
Grizzles-Heat tickets are hot.

[Skandery]

Marion can opt out and hope to hit the jack[pot but it takes two to tango...

Ah . . . Habanera by Georges Bizet, a wonderful piece of music. 

Anywho basketball . . .

Especially since, as Lurker pointed out, he is already making more than max money for what he brings to the court. He is only 30 years old so 1 more year alongside Wade, if he proves his worth, will add to to his value long term.

IMO he is a legit star in this league, not a star you build around but a star that can be part of an effective tandem. He stays healthy, (Missed 12 games the last 8 years), he is a consistant 18-10 forward, 2 steals per game, 39-40 minutes per game, #6 defensive boards, etc. And then there are the intangibles, he disrupts transition offense, is a pretty decent one on one defender and he stays out of foul trouble. Hmm, isn't that what Phoenix is getting from Shaq right now? I mean without the defense, without the transition game, without the steals, without the health, without the minutes, oh and without the point production. Yeah, this trade made ALL KINDS OF SENSE. Seriously, head case aside, Marion has an awful lot of upside, and he's is still no Ron Artest when it comes to baggage.

LF, my man, do you realize you've just posted that Marion has upside in the same post you astutely pointed out that he is 30!  30 isn't old, but it is on the downside of one's prime.  I'm as big of a Marion booster as the next guy but we've got keep what Marion brings in perspective.  He has never been and will never be a main threat on offense.  He simply doesn't have the ball-handling nor a large array of offensive moves.  He's an amazing rebounder (especially at 6'7), a lanky verstaile defender (albeit prone to getting out-sized in the deep post), he's a gazelle in the open court, a fantastic finisher, moves great without the ball, and is a serviceable perimeter shooter (even with an unorthodox release).  That is about all Shawn Marion gives you, no small offering, but not what a legitemate #1 option should possess in an array of skills.  He does not create his own shot effectively, his clutch history is dubious, he is by no means an effective or creative passer, and his attitude is problematic since he believes he is owed a role that he simply doesn't have the skills to fulfill.  He is what he is, a high-level complimentary player, and I don't imagine at this stage of his career his game will transform very much. 

[WayOutWest]

Marion would be a fool to walk away from 17 million dollars, SEVENTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read that long post I copied from another site that stated why Marion would opt out?  Made perfect sense to me, why risk a 40 to 60 million dollar multi-year contract for a one 17 million dollar year that could get you injured then worthless on the FA market.

[Lurker]

Marion would be a fool to walk away from 17 million dollars, SEVENTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read that long post I copied from another site that stated why Marion would opt out?  Made perfect sense to me, why risk a 40 to 60 million dollar multi-year contract for a one 17 million dollar year that could get you injured then worthless on the FA market.

But who is going to offer a 30 year old non-superstar player who is dependant on his athleticism a 5 year contract starting at 8-10 million

[westkoast]

Marion would be a fool to walk away from 17 million dollars, SEVENTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read that long post I copied from another site that stated why Marion would opt out?  Made perfect sense to me, why risk a 40 to 60 million dollar multi-year contract for a one 17 million dollar year that could get you injured then worthless on the FA market.

But who is going to offer a 30 year old non-superstar player who is dependant on his athleticism a 5 year contract starting at 8-10 million

New York? 

[Skandery]

But who is going to offer a 30 year old non-superstar player who is dependant on his athleticism a 5 year contract starting at 8-10 million

Lurker, come on.  5 years, 10 million: that's a $50 Million contract.  Marion fetches that EASY.  He might even get 60. 

Heck, Ben Wallace was more limited and older and got 60 Million over 4 years.

[WayOutWest]

But who is going to offer a 30 year old non-superstar player who is dependant on his athleticism a 5 year contract starting at 8-10 million

Lurker, come on.  5 years, 10 million: that's a $50 Million contract.  Marion fetches that EASY.  He might even get 60. 

Heck, Ben Wallace was more limited and older and got 60 Million over 4 years.

Exactly, why risk another year of age and/or injury when you can lock up a fat contract at his current high market value.

[Joe Vancil]

Answering the initial question posed by the thread title:  Are the Heat going for more ping pong balls with Wade out?

Uh...do you really think they'll manage to drop to 31st?

[westkoast]

Marion would be a fool to walk away from 17 million dollars, SEVENTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read that long post I copied from another site that stated why Marion would opt out?  Made perfect sense to me, why risk a 40 to 60 million dollar multi-year contract for a one 17 million dollar year that could get you injured then worthless on the FA market.

But who is going to offer a 30 year old non-superstar player who is dependant on his athleticism a 5 year contract starting at 8-10 million

Well Peja got 60 million from NO when he was 30 so why wouldn't someone pay Shawn Marion around that much money at the same age?

[Lurker]

Marion would be a fool to walk away from 17 million dollars, SEVENTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read that long post I copied from another site that stated why Marion would opt out?  Made perfect sense to me, why risk a 40 to 60 million dollar multi-year contract for a one 17 million dollar year that could get you injured then worthless on the FA market.

But who is going to offer a 30 year old non-superstar player who is dependant on his athleticism a 5 year contract starting at 8-10 million

Well Peja got 60 million from NO when he was 30 so why wouldn't someone pay Shawn Marion around that much money at the same age?

Because of the limited production all those 30+ year olds are giving for those millions.  With a few exceptions most GMs aren't prone to make mistake after mistake....

[westkoast]

Marion would be a fool to walk away from 17 million dollars, SEVENTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read that long post I copied from another site that stated why Marion would opt out?  Made perfect sense to me, why risk a 40 to 60 million dollar multi-year contract for a one 17 million dollar year that could get you injured then worthless on the FA market.

But who is going to offer a 30 year old non-superstar player who is dependant on his athleticism a 5 year contract starting at 8-10 million

Well Peja got 60 million from NO when he was 30 so why wouldn't someone pay Shawn Marion around that much money at the same age?

Because of the limited production all those 30+ year olds are giving for those millions.  With a few exceptions most GMs aren't prone to make mistake after mistake....

That first year Peja looked bad but since he looks pretty good and worth the money IMO.