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Draft Busts - The Sequel:LXVI
« on: February 09, 2007, 12:58:16 AM »
Hey, y'all!!!
   
I was pine-riding with one of my oldest homeboys today (hey, his brother used to terrorize me when we were in JHS), just kind of surfing NBA-dom when the question arose - what ever happened to Ed O'Bannon, star of the 1995 NCAA Champion U-C-L-A (sorry, I can't help it - I am a Bruin, after all) team?
   
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Edward Charles O'Bannon, Jr. (born August 14, 1972 in Los Angeles, California) is a former basketball player, who was a star small forward for the UCLA Bruins, where he was known as "Ed-O," but had a less-than-illustrious career as a professional basketball player. He is the older brother of former Detroit Pistons guard Charles O'Bannon, who also played collegiate ball at UCLA.

He was a McDonald's High School All-American coming from Artesia High School and was all set to go to UNLV when the program came under probation due to recruiting improprieties, and he switched to UCLA. He had little impact, however, at the beginning as he tore his anterior cruciate ligament. He was told he might not be able to walk properly again[1], but eighteen months later, he returned to playing basketball and became the team leader. He was the key to UCLA's 1995 NCAA Basketball Championship scoring 30 points and taking 17 rebounds. For the season, he averaged 20.4 points (.533 field-goal percentage, .433 3-point percentage) and 8.3 rebounds, enough to earn him the John R. Wooden Award as well as the Oscar Robertson Trophy that year. His number 31 was then retired by the Bruins.

Selected ninth by the New Jersey Nets in the first round of the 1995 NBA Draft, he entered the league with high expectations, but was unable to find a place in the professional game, being too small for an NBA forward and too slow to be a guard. In his two seasons for the Nets, he averaged 6.2 and 4.2 points per game respectively. He was unloaded to the Dallas Mavericks in his third and final NBA season, where he had even less of an impact. His final indignity was being traded (along with Derek Harper) and then promptly released by the Orlando Magic on the 24th of September 1997. He is now universally considered one of the biggest all-time draft busts. [2]

After his NBA career, O'Bannon played professional basketball in Italy, Spain, Greece, Argentina and Poland (in Anwil Włocławek, Polonia Warszawa and Astoria Bydgoszcz). He decided to retire at age 30 after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery. When he made his decision, he was in the process of trying out for a new league in China but realized he had no more motivation to play the game. Furthermore, the people holding the tryouts had never even heard of him.[2]

He attended UNLV to finish his bachelor's degree. He now lives in Las Vegas, Nevada with his wife and children and is employed as a car salesman. O'Bannon is not one to wallow in the past. He told the Los Angeles Times, "People see me and remember me and I'm proud to tell them — 'No, I don't play. No, I don't coach. Yes, I sell cars.'" [2]

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Well, I have to say that as a high 1st-rounder in 1995, he should never have had to ever work again - but we all know how easy it is to spend, spend, spend...yet, who (especially O'Bannon himself) could imagine that a high 1st-rounder would only last 2 dismal years in the league!  Still, I think this Wikipedia entry was somewhat harsh on O'Bannon - I don't think that he is 'universally' regarded as one of the biggest draft busts of all time.  I can't understand how he could ever have been viewed as a 'franchise' player in the first place by NBA front-office personnel, under any circumstances.
   
More busts to come...
   
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Re: Draft Busts - The Sequel:LXVI
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2007, 12:26:28 PM »
What about Sam Bowie?

Where do you guys rank Michael Olawakandi and Kwame Brown?  Cuz those have to be the two biggest draft busts in recent history.  If they were taken deeper in the first round it would have been decent pick ups but since they went #1...yea, bust-a-rific.
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Sam was a bust for different reasons
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2007, 01:09:35 PM »
Hey wk!!!
   
When I think of 'busts', I think of someone not measuring up more because he just lacked the physical attributes and/or innate skills/ability to be successful at the professional level as anticipated, rather than he just wasn't around for long.  Sam Bowie was a solid player when he was healthy...except he was almost NEVER healthy!!!  I remember feeling sorry for him becuse you could see the competitiveness and the real potential for greatness he had...but his body continually let him down.  IMHO, the only difference between Bowie and Bill Walton is that Walton was able to lead his team (Blazers) to a championship before injuries negatively impacted his career - Bowie never got this chance.  No one ever says drafting Walton was a bust - but really...

So, by my standards both Kwame and the Kandi-man are busts of major proportions - but since Baylor and the Clippers were involved in the selection of Olowakandi, not unexpected.  Kwame was a risky bet that went down the drain...kind of like Iraq, you know?
   
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Re: Sam was a bust for different reasons
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2007, 05:49:38 PM »
Hey wk!!!
   
When I think of 'busts', I think of someone not measuring up more because he just lacked the physical attributes and/or innate skills/ability to be successful at the professional level as anticipated, rather than he just wasn't around for long.  Sam Bowie was a solid player when he was healthy...except he was almost NEVER healthy!!!  I remember feeling sorry for him becuse you could see the competitiveness and the real potential for greatness he had...but his body continually let him down.  IMHO, the only difference between Bowie and Bill Walton is that Walton was able to lead his team (Blazers) to a championship before injuries negatively impacted his career - Bowie never got this chance.  No one ever says drafting Walton was a bust - but really...

So, by my standards both Kwame and the Kandi-man are busts of major proportions - but since Baylor and the Clippers were involved in the selection of Olowakandi, not unexpected.  Kwame was a risky bet that went down the drain...kind of like Iraq, you know?
   
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Ahh okay...put that way I think Bowie wouldn't fall into that category.  I was thinking just in general.  If a player was taken really high and didn't work out to be worth the top pick then they were a bust.  Although Sam Bowie could play somewhat and was limited by injury the pick was still a bust considering who was passed to get him.

Would Darko fall under the bust category?  I know he hasn't had much playing time and is starting to come into his own but I still don't think he would ever be worth that top pick.
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Re: Draft Busts - The Sequel:LXVI
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 06:40:03 PM »
When I think of busts I think of "Never nervous" Pervis Ellison, Benoit Benjamin, Danny Ferry and Stacey King.  I've also excluded injuries and health problems.  Near busts are guys like Christian Lattner, Billy Owens, Danny Manning and Robert Taylor.  They had decent carreers but were not the stars they were thought to be.
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Re: Draft Busts - The Sequel:LXVI
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 06:56:32 PM »
Hey, y'all!!!
   
I was pine-riding with one of my oldest homeboys today (hey, his brother used to terrorize me when we were in JHS), just kind of surfing NBA-dom when the question arose - what ever happened to Ed O'Bannon, star of the 1995 NCAA Champion U-C-L-A (sorry, I can't help it - I am a Bruin, after all) team?
   
From Wikipedia (one of the greatest projects on the 'Net - I contribute):

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Edward Charles O'Bannon, Jr. (born August 14, 1972 in Los Angeles, California) is a former basketball player, who was a star small forward for the UCLA Bruins, where he was known as "Ed-O," but had a less-than-illustrious career as a professional basketball player. He is the older brother of former Detroit Pistons guard Charles O'Bannon, who also played collegiate ball at UCLA.

He was a McDonald's High School All-American coming from Artesia High School and was all set to go to UNLV when the program came under probation due to recruiting improprieties, and he switched to UCLA. He had little impact, however, at the beginning as he tore his anterior cruciate ligament. He was told he might not be able to walk properly again[1], but eighteen months later, he returned to playing basketball and became the team leader. He was the key to UCLA's 1995 NCAA Basketball Championship scoring 30 points and taking 17 rebounds. For the season, he averaged 20.4 points (.533 field-goal percentage, .433 3-point percentage) and 8.3 rebounds, enough to earn him the John R. Wooden Award as well as the Oscar Robertson Trophy that year. His number 31 was then retired by the Bruins.

Selected ninth by the New Jersey Nets in the first round of the 1995 NBA Draft, he entered the league with high expectations, but was unable to find a place in the professional game, being too small for an NBA forward and too slow to be a guard. In his two seasons for the Nets, he averaged 6.2 and 4.2 points per game respectively. He was unloaded to the Dallas Mavericks in his third and final NBA season, where he had even less of an impact. His final indignity was being traded (along with Derek Harper) and then promptly released by the Orlando Magic on the 24th of September 1997. He is now universally considered one of the biggest all-time draft busts. [2]

After his NBA career, O'Bannon played professional basketball in Italy, Spain, Greece, Argentina and Poland (in Anwil Włocławek, Polonia Warszawa and Astoria Bydgoszcz). He decided to retire at age 30 after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery. When he made his decision, he was in the process of trying out for a new league in China but realized he had no more motivation to play the game. Furthermore, the people holding the tryouts had never even heard of him.[2]

He attended UNLV to finish his bachelor's degree. He now lives in Las Vegas, Nevada with his wife and children and is employed as a car salesman. O'Bannon is not one to wallow in the past. He told the Los Angeles Times, "People see me and remember me and I'm proud to tell them — 'No, I don't play. No, I don't coach. Yes, I sell cars.'" [2]

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Well, I have to say that as a high 1st-rounder in 1995, he should never have had to ever work again - but we all know how easy it is to spend, spend, spend...yet, who (especially O'Bannon himself) could imagine that a high 1st-rounder would only last 2 dismal years in the league!  Still, I think this Wikipedia entry was somewhat harsh on O'Bannon - I don't think that he is 'universally' regarded as one of the biggest draft busts of all time.  I can't understand how he could ever have been viewed as a 'franchise' player in the first place by NBA front-office personnel, under any circumstances.
   
More busts to come...
   
- RB
Shaq #1
   


Hey RB, 

I went to University of Oregon and was a junior in 95 when Ed and Charles O'Bannen were on the Bruins.  I'll never forget because UofO upset the Bruins that year at Mac Court and we ran on to the court.  I think that was one of their two losses that season ;-)
 
What about Harold Minor?  He was a bust. 

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Minor was a true bust
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2007, 04:22:12 AM »
Hey msc!!!
   
I absolutely agree with you - after all the 'Baby Jordan' hype that Harold Minor got, your would have thought his throne in the Hall-of-Fame was already prepared for his coronation.  Minor flamed out pretty quickly, didn't he?  Good one!
   
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Re: Draft Busts - The Sequel:LXVI
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2007, 06:36:48 PM »
I actually did a study on this.  Looked at career effciency score, and related it to their draft position.  Here are the 20 worst draft picks last 18 years in order  (this obviously needs to be updated every year.  Darko's numbers this year will move him way down the list, same with Kwame, who will probably fall out of the top 20).

1- Darko Milicic  #2
2- Nikoloz Tskitishvili  #5
3- Luke Jackson  #10
4 - Bo Kimble #8
5 - Marcus Haislip #13
6 - Bobby Hurley  #7
7 - Ed O'Bannon  #9
8 - Shawn Respert #8
9 - Trajan Langdon  #11
10- Todd   Fuller  #11
11- Jonathan Bender  #5
12 - Desagana Diop  #8
13 - Jerome Moiso  #11
14 - Dajuan Wagner #6
15 - Kedrick Brown  #11
16 - Rafael Araujo  #8
17 - Mark Macon  #8
18 - Kwame Brown  #1
19 - Danny Ferry #2
20 - Jay Williams  #2

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Re: Draft Busts - The Sequel:LXVI
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2007, 06:42:21 PM »
The best draft pciks based upon career effciency and position selected in he draft

1   Dirk Nowitzki   1998   9
2   Kevin Garnett   1995   5
3   Vlade Divac   1989   26
4   Carlos Boozer   2002   34
5   Anthony Mason   1988   53
6   Rod Strickland   1988   19
7   Shawn Marion   1999   9
8   Michael Finley   1995   21
9   Paul Pierce   1998   10
10   Gilbert Arenas   2001   30
11   Sam Cassell   1993   24
12   Tracy McGrady   1997   9
13   Shawn Kemp   1989   17
14   Kobe Bryant   1996   13
15   Michael Redd   2000   43
16   Shaquille ONeal   1992   1
17   Amare Stoudemire   2002   9
18   Dikembe Mutombo   1991   4
19   Tim Duncan   1997   1
20   Nick Van Exel   2001   37
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2007, 06:48:38 PM »
Here is the rankings by teams best to worst since the 1988 draft  (recognize this based upon who drafted the player so for instance the Hornets get credit for Kobe)

Lottery picks  Team   Lottery Picks
LAL   113.285
PHO   87.567
HOU   68.951
SAS   59.338
CHA-BC   58.770
Bos   55.895
Mil   53.758
MIN   51.420
Tor   49.452
CH-NO-OK   45.662
Mia   45.345
ATL   44.817
Van-Mem   42.096
Orl   41.021
GSW   36.760
CLE   35.068
Den   34.935
PHI   34.385
Sea   34.129
WAS   31.933
NYK   30.564
Det   30.316
Chi   27.061
NJN   22.033
DAL   20.642
Ind   19.988
Sac   18.559
LAC   17.489
UTA   7.584
POR   5.755

All first round picks
CHA-BC   58.770
LAL   56.730
PHO   54.819
Sea   45.898
Tor   43.821
GSW   42.659
MIN   38.975
Van-Mem   38.077
Mil   37.694
NYK   37.467
HOU   35.094
Bos   34.285
CLE   33.959
CH-NO-OK   32.347
Ind   31.471
SAS   30.568
Den   30.124
WAS   28.039
PHI   27.298
ATL   26.369
Mia   24.693
Det   24.542
DAL   22.974
Orl   21.907
Sac   18.986
LAC   17.369
Chi   17.107
NJN   17.096
UTA   15.157
POR   14.929

2nd and 3rd round picks
POR   30.933
Mil   26.142
CLE   21.352
LAL   20.847
NJN   20.177
UTA   16.491
Sea   13.220
GSW   12.515
Chi   12.136
Mia   12.108
Ind   11.801
HOU   10.858
Det   9.412
Sac   9.294
PHO   8.893
Den   7.538
WAS   7.450
Orl   7.301
CH-NO-OK   7.272
DAL   6.686
Bos   5.717
SAS   5.434
MIN   4.934
NYK   4.052
LAC   3.971
ATL   2.809
PHI   2.616
Van-Mem   2.038
Tor   0.253
CHA-BC   0

All picks
LAL   38.789
Mil   31.137
Tor   30.206
CHA-BC   29.385
CLE   28.496
PHO   27.264
GSW   27.201
Sea   27.108
Bos   23.897
POR   23.189
HOU   22.263
CH-NO-OK   22.131
Van-Mem   20.841
NYK   20.228
Ind   19.713
Den   18.831
MIN   18.621
NJN   18.534
Det   17.482
Mia   16.870
SAS   15.834
UTA   15.764
Orl   15.397
WAS   15.322
Chi   14.405
Sac   13.885
ATL   13.467
DAL   12.891
LAC   12.560
PHI   12.214

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Dang...The LAL done pretty good
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2007, 08:42:30 PM »
Hey ziggy!
   
Those were some awesome stats...t'anks, brah!
   
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2007, 10:37:06 PM »
I actually did a study on this.  Looked at career effciency score, and related it to their draft position.  Here are the 20 wrost draft picks last 18 years in order

1- Darko Milicic  #2
2- Nikoloz Tskitishvili  #5
3- Luke Jackson  #10
4 - Bo Kimble #8
5 - Marcus Haislip #13
6 - Bobby Hurley  #7
7 - Ed O'Bannon  #9
8 - Shawn Respert #8
9 - Trajan Langdon  #11
10- Todd   Fuller  #11
11- Jonathan Bender  #5
12 - Desagana Diop  #8
13 - Jerome Moiso  #11
14 - Dajuan Wagner #6
15 - Kedrick Brown  #11
16 - Rafael Araujo  #8
17 - Mark Macon  #8
18 - Kwame Brown  #1
19 - Danny Ferry #2
20 - Jay Williams  #2



Note the 3 worst draft spots are
#8 (Rafael Araujo, Mark Macon, Bo Kimble, Desagana Diop, Shawn Respert)
#11  (Trajan Langdon, Todd Fuller, Kedrick Brown, Jermoe Mosio)
#2  (Danny Ferry, Jay Williams, Darko Milicic, as well as the aformentioned Sam Bowie)
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 10:25:51 AM »
Jay Williams & Bobby Hurley should both fall under the "injuryt exception".  Both looked like they were going to have solid careers until they decided that it was fun to ride motorcycles at a dangerous speed.
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