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« on: April 20, 2006, 11:55:18 AM »
These don't have to be real due to some of the contracts.  In fact lets assume No Integrity Stern dies and ziggy is elected commish and does away with the dollar for dollar trade nonsense.  Would you consider?

A.I. for A Stoudamire?  Before you Sixers say done :bounce:  and done :bounce: , how really is AStouds injury?

CWebber for _____ (i just cant see the other team making this work.  Isaiah?  How about for Brian Grants expiring contract?)

Tim Dunkar for Dwight Howard  I know, seems blasphemous.  I won't do it but you have to consider the ages and when the upside and downside arrows will cross.  I'll put it on hold till the post 2006 Championship medical report on Dunkar comes out.  I'm hoping Dunkar has 3 more great years then can go Billy Walton 1986 6th man extraordinaire for the 4th and 5th years.  Thus far surpassing Shaqs legacy.

Tim Dunkar for Lebron James  westkoast and Randy we are aware that Lebron is a GF and Dunk is a FC.  Thank you.  Again, you got to look at ages.  I won't do it, but I wont diss the thought either.

Ron ArTesty for Bruce Bowen.  I dont think you'd go for this would you Jomal.  Okay for Bowen and ____ (untouchable Parker, GNob also Dunkan in this one).

Kobme Bryant for Chris Bosh and Chris Paul in a three way.  Done and done if one wants the Flamers to have more wins and a future.

KG for NYKs #2 overall pick and 4 roster players of MNs choice?

KG for Ben Gordon, Hinrich and Chandler.  (But then what is Chi left with?)  Other Chi ideas?

KG for AStoudamire, Boris Diaw and Raja Bell.  You Nash MVP squakers put up or shut up.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2006, 12:23:57 PM »
FYI,

Until TD can win three in a row and dominate the playoffs like MJ, Magic, Bird and Kareem he will not equal let alone surpass Shaq's legacy.  IMO it will not happend, TD just doesn't have it in him.

Moves that need to happed:

KG and Bosh.  I don't think those guys can handle their losing situation anymore.  I hope one of those guys ends up on the Lakers, the Lakers need a consistent front court players, Odom has been a bust for the Lakers.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2006, 12:25:51 PM »
Wow, Reality.  Every one of those trades is one that has no chance in the world at happening.

Phoenix wouldn't consider Iverson for Stoudemire - even if Stoudemire were to never play again.

Webber for Grant's contract?  Grant's contract is miniscule - no chance at it working.  And I don't think Phoenix would want Webber UNLESS Stodemire wasn't coming back.  And maybe not even then.

Duncan for Howard wouldn't be done by either Orlando or San An.  San An doesn't need a "going to be great in a few years" player, and Orlando isn't ready to "win now."

Duncan for James:  another deal that neither team would make.  Cleveland's not ready to win now, and San An isn't going to win when Rasho Nesterovic is your main post option.

Artest for Bowen:  Sacramento doesn't need a role player, and San An doesn't need a head case (see Indiana's before and after pictures).

Bryant/Bosh/Paul:  New Orleans needs Paul - not Bryant or Bosh - since Paul is an up-and-comer, and they've already got David West at power forward.

Toronto might trade Bosh for Bryant, but the Lakers never would.  They might trade Bosh for Paul (assuming they believed in Villenueva), but New Orleans never would.

Kobe's not leaving LA.  Not for love nor money.

Minnesota doesn't want ANYBODY from New York - much less *4* of them - and absolutely not if the price tag is Garnett.  And New York's pick is going to Chicago in the Curry deal.

You gave your own reason for why Chicago wouldn't offer up their entire franchise for just Garnett.

And Phoenix wouldn't do Stoudemire for Garnett straight up, why would they also give up Bell and Diaw?




 
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2006, 12:57:08 PM »
Wow, Reality. Every one of those trades is one that has no chance in the world at happening.
Then tell us some that would.  We have some of the greatest NBA talent wasting away again in .500ville.

Phoenix wouldn't consider Iverson for Stoudemire - even if Stoudemire were to never play again.
What??  Instead they would get nothing in return for AStoud?  Thats whack.

Webber for Grant's contract? Grant's contract is miniscule - no chance at it working. And I don't think Phoenix would want Webber UNLESS Stodemire wasn't coming back. And maybe not even then.

Grant is gonna get another 13 million from the Lakers next season.
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Yeah I wouldn't want Webber if I were Phx.  But if all it cost were the Phx Grant salary of 1 million, nnyya why not.  Then ship Webber again for a draft pic.

Duncan for Howard wouldn't be done by either Orlando or San An. San An doesn't need a "going to be great in a few years" player, and Orlando isn't ready to "win now."
Well of course Duncan would veto it and would not want to go to Orlando.  But as for Howard being on SAS, he is ready to be great starting next year.  2007-8 at the latest.  From the Spurs point of view it is very doable.  I would not do it, but another Spurs title with Howard is completely within the realm of reality

Duncan for James: another deal that neither team would make. Cleveland's not ready to win now, and San An isn't going to win when Rasho Nesterovic is your main post option.
Contraire.  James with SuperManu, Parker etc?  Even a servicable Center would work.  See JordanBulls centers of past.

Artest for Bowen: Sacramento doesn't need a role player, and San An doesn't need a head case (see Indiana's before and after pictures).
Ya its not gonna happen.  Just wondering tho.

Bryant/Bosh/Paul: New Orleans needs Paul - not Bryant or Bosh - since Paul is an up-and-comer, and they've already got David West at power forward.
Toronto might trade Bosh for Bryant, but the Lakers never would.
Well maybe Jerry Buss will pass away soon and the younger Busses will make a move.  Lets also assume Stern and the NBA will not intervene and force a KG for Chris Mihm trade.

Minnesota doesn't want ANYBODY from New York - much less *4* of them - and absolutely not if the price tag is Garnett. And New York's pick is going to Chicago in the Curry deal.
I dunno.  #2 overall pick, Frye, Jomal Crawford, Nate Robinson and Eddy Curry.  If KG is gonna split anyways this is not too shabby.  Better then KG for Mihm straight across.

And Phoenix wouldn't do Stoudemire for Garnett straight up, why would they also give up Bell and Diaw?
Phx would jump at the chance for Stoud for KG straight up.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 01:45:55 PM »
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Phoenix wouldn't consider Iverson for Stoudemire - even if Stoudemire were to never play again.

What?? Instead they would get nothing in return for AStoud? Thats whack.

So Stoudamire is done?  Is that a medical diagnosis or is that a Reality prognosis.
You don't trade away a guy like Stoudamire especially when you already have a better PG than AI.

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Webber for Grant's contract? Grant's contract is miniscule - no chance at it working. And I don't think Phoenix would want Webber UNLESS Stodemire wasn't coming back. And maybe not even then.

Grant is gonna get another 13 million from the Lakers next season.

Grant's 13 million is an amnesty deal -- there isn't any expiring contract to entice anyone to trade for him.  The amnesty deal is between Grant and the Lakers -- it doesn't count in any trades (only his present salary with the Suns -- was that a two year deal or a one year deal?).

But Phoenix DOESN'T want Webber -- they would rather run-and-gun -- and we all know Webber isn't up to that.  They would rather play Diaw and Marion in the post than have Webber.  You aren't even making any sense (as usual).

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Well of course Duncan would veto it and would not want to go to Orlando. But as for Howard being on SAS, he is ready to be great starting next year. 2007-8 at the latest. From the Spurs point of view it is very doable. I would not do it, but another Spurs title with Howard is completely within the realm of reality

This is just TOO funny -- why is TD the best player in the league (when healthy)?  It's not just because of his offense -- he's the TOTAL package.  He isn't just a great offensive player -- he isn't just a great rebounder or shotblocker -- he's a GREAT defensive player.  He is the cornerstone on which the Spurs team is built.  You aren't just going to pull him out and replace him with Dwight Howard -- that's a JOKE!  Howard has a lot of potential but he doesn't even understand half of what TD already does defensively for the Spurs!

Are you already packing your bandwagonning bags?  Because any fan who would make suggestion is  :crazy: .

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Duncan for James: another deal that neither team would make. Cleveland's not ready to win now, and San An isn't going to win when Rasho Nesterovic is your main post option.
Contraire. James with SuperManu, Parker etc? Even a servicable Center would work. See JordanBulls centers of past.

Umm, you fail to comprehend what MJ DID have in the post.  Sure, a serviceable center was all MJ had but MJ also had one of the best rebounder (esp. offensive rebounders) and post defenders in the league during ALL of his titles.  The Spurs don't have that without TD.  

And you are comparing James with MJ -- please hold those comparisons until he has actually earned them (and he hasn't -- yet!).

As for the Cavs, they are building for the future -- giving up James would be a HUGE mistake.  And the Cavs don't have anyone who is going to help TD win a title so why trade your REALLY young superstar for an aging one (esp. one who had some major health problems this year) when you know it doesn't help you win a title.  You go for the future!

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Artest for Bowen: Sacramento doesn't need a role player, and San An doesn't need a head case (see Indiana's before and after pictures).
Ya its not gonna happen. Just wondering tho.

This is just ridiculous -- SacTown doesn't want Bowen -- how many years does Bowen have left in him?  Two, three?  Not to mention that they want someone who can score rather than just shoot from outside -- not to mention the salaries aren't even close!!!

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Bryant/Bosh/Paul: New Orleans needs Paul - not Bryant or Bosh - since Paul is an up-and-comer, and they've already got David West at power forward.
Toronto might trade Bosh for Bryant, but the Lakers never would.
Well maybe Jerry Buss will pass away soon and the younger Busses will make a move. Lets also assume Stern and the NBA will not intervene and force a KG for Chris Mihm trade.

You type something like this and then understand why people ask you if you know ANYTHING about basketball?

Bryant IS a top 5 player -- you could even argue the best all-around player in the league (although I wouldn't agree with that assessment) -- the players you mentioned AREN'T even close to being in that league.  
1)  salaries can't work
2)  talent isn't equivalent -- you want the Lakers to trade a superstar for a player that MIGHT become one?  

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Minnesota doesn't want ANYBODY from New York - much less *4* of them - and absolutely not if the price tag is Garnett. And New York's pick is going to Chicago in the Curry deal.
I dunno. #2 overall pick, Frye, Jomal Crawford, Nate Robinson and Eddy Curry. If KG is gonna split anyways this is not too shabby. Better then KG for Mihm straight across.

Okay, Minny might take Frye, Robinson, Curry and Crawford for KG -- but since NY is trading it's entire team (and future potential) for a guy that isn't going to help them win a championship, what's the point for NY?  Now I realize that Zeke might be that stupid -- but it would be stupid.

Do you REALLY believe that Minny is going to trade KG for Mihm straight up?
1)  salaries don't match
2)  McHale is dumb but not that dumb

I realize that this is your greatest fear -- that the Lakers would somehow get a KG to join with Kobe for another title.  Just the thought of that causes you pain.

Bottom line, you didn't suggest a trade that even came CLOSE to making any sense.  

When I first read this, I thought -- wow, is Lee back again?

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 02:40:58 PM »
Reality,

Let's join the adults mmmmmkay....

The Green Latern vs Spiderman or Wolverine vs Sabertooth discussion if for another board.

While we can suspend the financials, we can't suspend the reality of the talent disparity in your trade proposals.

Maybe Nash, KG and AK for Odom, Parker and George in 4 team mega trade that allows the Lakers to compete with the Pistons for a title.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2006, 02:50:56 PM »
Perple n Goldens,

Note the top of the post.  Repeat:
"These don't have to be real due to some of the contracts. In fact lets assume No Integrity Stern dies and ziggy is elected commish and does away with the dollar for dollar trade nonsense. Would you consider?"

Now if you don't like my trade ideas, that is fine n dandy.
If you have some trade suggestions, by all means post.
W.O.W. you're off to a good start.  

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2006, 03:20:48 PM »
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Perple n Goldens,

Note the top of the post.  Repeat:
"These don't have to be real due to some of the contracts. In fact lets assume No Integrity Stern dies and ziggy is elected commish and does away with the dollar for dollar trade nonsense. Would you consider?"

Now if you don't like my trade ideas, that is fine n dandy.
If you have some trade suggestions, by all means post.
W.O.W. you're off to a good start.
Come on, Lee, I mean Reality!

I at least thought you had more basketball sense to mention ANY of these trades -- let's just say that Peter Vecsey wouldn't even dare to mention any of these trades.

There ARE some legit trades you could think up -- but you seem to be stuck in bizarro world or something!  Hmm, do you actually live there?

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2006, 03:33:12 PM »
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Come on, Lee, I mean Reality!

 
Once again you don't offer up squat.
Stay on the sidelines.

Or should I have started the thread "Randy, the Great Krishna says it is allowable for you to think about how some excellent NBA players could get on some teams other then their perrenial .500 clubs.  You have my permission to think about something other then the Lakers."  

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2006, 03:42:26 PM »
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Reality,

Let's join the adults mmmmmkay....

The Green Latern vs Spiderman or Wolverine vs Sabertooth discussion if for another board.

While we can suspend the financials, we can't suspend the reality of the talent disparity in your trade proposals.

Maybe Nash, KG and AK for Odom, Parker and George in 4 team mega trade that allows the Lakers to compete with the Pistons for a title.
:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Carlos Mencia has NOTHIN on W.O.W

As for trades....

I heard the Clippers are going to deal Chris Kaman and Elton Brand to Miami for Shaq, Wade, Zo, and Williams.  Only to turn around and deal Williams for Chauncey Billips straight up.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2006, 03:45:56 PM »
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KG for Ben Gordon, Hinrich and Chandler. (But then what is Chi left with?) Other Chi ideas?

LMAO, are you serious?

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KG for AStoudamire, Boris Diaw and Raja Bell. You Nash MVP squakers put up or shut up.

This makes PHX worse.  You are crazy.
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2006, 03:57:28 PM »
Or should I have started the thread "All Laker posters, the Great Krishna says it is allowable for you to think about how some excellent NBA players could get on some teams other then their perrenial .500 clubs. You have my permission to think about something other then the Lakers."

 

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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 04:14:22 PM »
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Or should I have started the thread "All Laker posters, the Great Krishna says it is allowable for you to think about how some excellent NBA players could get on some teams other then their perrenial .500 clubs. You have my permission to think about something other then the Lakers."
What you should have stated was:

These trades are idiotic and not thought at at all.  In fact, what I did was put every good players name on a piece of paper, put it into my brand new Spurs hat,  randomly picked the papers, then base my trade ideas on that.   This is an ancient technique that I learned from Lee, the old MSNBC god of all things relating to trades.
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2006, 04:19:00 PM »
You want real suggestions?

Okay, how about these:

Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Andrew Bynum, and a second rounder to Minnesota for Garnett.  You essentially give Minnesota 2 starters and a promising big man and a pick for Garnett.

Stephon Marbury to Houston for expiring contracts.  New York gets out from under Marbury and his hefty contract, and Houston gets the point guard it needs.

Al Harrington and young filler to New York for Stephon Marbury.  Atlanta needs a point guard, and the Knicks need a big man.

 
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2006, 04:24:54 PM »
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You want real suggestions?

Okay, how about these:

Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Andrew Bynum, and a second rounder to Minnesota for Garnett.  You essentially give Minnesota 2 starters and a promising big man and a pick for Garnett.

Stephon Marbury to Houston for expiring contracts.  New York gets out from under Marbury and his hefty contract, and Houston gets the point guard it needs.

Al Harrington and young filler to New York for Stephon Marbury.  Atlanta needs a point guard, and the Knicks need a big man.
Joe,

Please don't confuse Reality with REAL trade possibilities -- it's obvious from the trades that he has mentioned that he isn't interested in those.

These trades make Lee look like a GENIUS, Reality!  And you know what's REALLY horrible about the whole thread?  Is that somehow you don't even REALIZE how stupid you sound!   :crazy: