Billy King is not amused

[Guest_Randy]

I think Philly trading AI is a pipe dream.  And I don't think Cheeks is a very good coach either!

1. Maybe Philly would like to win another legit title as opposed to being some marketing 1st farce.  With all the money they wasted on Dalembert and Webber they could give away a thousand tickets a game.  They don't have to keep AI for the sole purpose of selling tickets.  A front running title contending team without AI in Philly would sell just as many tickets.  Ask dabods and RT who live there and shut your piehole.

2.  Isaiah is definitely stupid enough to do that.  Have you read in the boxscore or watched in the imaginary t.v. in your mind what some of his past trades have been.  Difference is now Larry Brown is in town (or is he, health?) so the rob Isaiah bandwagon may be over with.

A.I. is a horrible shooter? :rofl:   Now I've heard it all.  Maybe when he ups his fg% 3 tenths of a percentage he will be a great shooter like Kobe.  Can you also teach him to lower his assists?  

Build around A.I.?  Too late for that with the current cast in Philly.  Maybe A.I. would be more then happy to go to a team with a legit big man as the centerpiece.

A front running title contending team without AI in Philly would sell just as many tickets.  Ask dabods and RT who live there and shut your piehole.

That's funny -- I haven't heard you suggest a trade (that actually had ANY merit) that would bring about that result!  

And dabods has ALREADY responded -- and I noticed that you just ignored it since it didn't suit your purposes.

A.I. is a horrible shooter? :rofl:   Now I've heard it all.  Maybe when he ups his fg% 3 tenths of a percentage he will be a great shooter like Kobe.

Actually, the difference between AI and Kobe is greater than the difference between Manu and Kobe.  And AI IS a horrible shooter (he shoots 32% from the arch) -- he has always been a scorer -- always will be!  Is this news to you?

Bottom line is that trading AI isn't going to make them a contender -- no matter how many stupid asinine trade ideas you come up with.  And AI WILL cost them fans in the seats -- so if a trade doesn't make you significantly better -- than why make fans uphappy?

Why not ask dabods and Rick THAT ONE!  Oh, it's because you don't really want to know the answer!
 

[Reality]

Oh, it's because you don't really want to know the answer!

You have offered zero positive 76er solutions.  None.

"And AI IS a horrible shooter (he shoots 32% from the arch) -- he has always been a scorer -- always will be!"  Have one of your grouphome managers read this to you several times over.  
In order to score in basketball, one needs to shoot.  In the real world, that is.

Regarding shooting and wanting to know the answer, after your babbling about me reading the boxscore on Kobmes shooting 11-28 while you claimed and I quote:
"Well, if you had watched the game, what you would have seen is the Suns trying to play the Lakers with 3 men on the court. They were miserably shorthanded without Steve Nash, Raja Bell and Kurt Thomas -- and it showed. Kobe attacked the basket and without Bell there wasn't anyone who could even hope to slow him down."  
To which i asked, "So gamewatching Randy who posted the above,
Do indeed tell us how Kobe shot 11-28."  
http://www.phillyarena.net/forums/index.ph...wtopic=2926&hl=

Ha! :bs:  Silence ever since.  Because you didn't watch the game. :rolleyes:
I really want to know the answer.  Or do I. :rolleyes:

   

[Guest_Randy]

Actually, I read that the other day and I didn't have time to respond -- not like I need to respond to your rantings.

If I was like you, I'd blame every bad shooting day that Kobe has had on an injury -- that seems to be what you do every time Manu has a bad shooting day!  

As for Kobe, there were actually a couple of times that Kobe had to shoot the ball in order to beat the shot clock.  The Lakers without Mihm don't have any kind of an offensive game -- but the fact is that Kobe has fallen in love with his jumpshot.  And it goes in enough to make him continue to keep shooting it.  I don't mind if they are high percentage shots (like the little 18' fadeaway that nobody can stop on the baseline) but when he gets hot, he seems to think he can't miss anything -- which obviously isn't true.


Now, I'll wait for YOU to be THAT objective of Manu!!!   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  

[Reality]

Actually, I read that the other day and I didn't have time to respond -- not like I need to respond to your rantings.

Or back up your own posted  :bs:
 

[Reality]

As for Kobe, there were actually a couple of times that Kobe had to shoot the ball in order to beat the shot clock.

So now you've gone from:

"Well, if you had watched the game, what you would have seen is the Suns trying to play the Lakers with 3 men on the court. They were miserably shorthanded without Steve Nash, Raja Bell and Kurt Thomas -- and it showed. Kobe attacked the basket and without Bell there wasn't anyone who could even hope to slow him down."

"So gamewatching Randy who posted the above, do indeed tell us how Kobe shot 11-28."

To:  "As for Kobe, there were actually a couple of times that Kobe had to shoot the ball in order to beat the shot clock."

That really explains yourself.

[Guest_Randy]

As for Kobe, there were actually a couple of times that Kobe had to shoot the ball in order to beat the shot clock.

So now you've gone from:

"Well, if you had watched the game, what you would have seen is the Suns trying to play the Lakers with 3 men on the court. They were miserably shorthanded without Steve Nash, Raja Bell and Kurt Thomas -- and it showed. Kobe attacked the basket and without Bell there wasn't anyone who could even hope to slow him down."

"So gamewatching Randy who posted the above, do indeed tell us how Kobe shot 11-28."

To:  "As for Kobe, there were actually a couple of times that Kobe had to shoot the ball in order to beat the shot clock."

That really explains yourself.

Actually, the previous post was in response to Kobe's ft's.  Amazing how you think that only Manu should be allowed to shoot 9 ft's in 2 and a half minutes.  Yeah, Manu's theatrics have NOTHING to do with it.  According to you, the Spurs wouldn't trade Manu for LeBron or Kobe -- and we BOTH know the truth to that -- whether you admit it or not!

And Kobe DID take to the rack -- a lot -- but no where does that mean that Kobe didn't jack up some shots at the end of the shot clock.  Not sure where you think that isn't the case.  And Kobe SHOULD have taken it to the rack all night long -- but sometimes he falls in love with his jumpshot -- more than he should.

So spin that however you want!  I guess bandwagon fans have to have SOMETHING to do!

[rickortreat]

How did a post about Billy King and the Sixers become another Kobme rant?

I'm all for free association in certain circumstances, but THIS is rediculous.

It's also clear from your posts that you lack any objectivity.

How can Kobe be considered for Player of the Year and Iverson NOT be?  Both teams aren't going to accomplish anything in the playoffs.

Statistically, the two players are soo close that to mention one without the other reveals a bias.

Kobe averages 2.4 more points a game and 2.1 rebounds, but AI deals out 2.9 more assists per game.  In terms of shooting percentage AI misses .003 more shots, almost insignificant.  And AI make up for that by being a slightly better ball stealer.

Kobe also has 7 inches in height on AI, which gives him an advantage in certain circumstances.  

Overall one would probably rather have Kobe, but the edge is very slight and most of it explainable by the height differential.

[Guest_Randy]

How did a post about Billy King and the Sixers become another Kobme rant?

I'm all for free association in certain circumstances, but THIS is rediculous.

It's also clear from your posts that you lack any objectivity.

How can Kobe be considered for Player of the Year and Iverson NOT be?  Both teams aren't going to accomplish anything in the playoffs.

Statistically, the two players are soo close that to mention one without the other reveals a bias.

Kobe averages 2.4 more points a game and 2.1 rebounds, but AI deals out 2.9 more assists per game.  In terms of shooting percentage AI misses .003 more shots, almost insignificant.  And AI make up for that by being a slightly better ball stealer.

Kobe also has 7 inches in height on AI, which gives him an advantage in certain circumstances.  

Overall one would probably rather have Kobe, but the edge is very slight and most of it explainable by the height differential.

Rick,

Name one GM that would name AI as a top 5 player?  Bet you can't do it!  You could find a number of GM's that would include Kobe in that list!

As for the difference between Kobe and AI -- the difference is that Kobe plays defense!

[Guest_Randy]

As for how this turned into a Kobe rant?

A.I. is a horrible shooter?  Now I've heard it all. Maybe when he ups his fg% 3 tenths of a percentage he will be a great shooter like Kobe. Can you also teach him to lower his assists?

If AI is having such a great year why are people talking about Kobe for MVP and not AI?  I don't see AI's name on that list anywhere!    

[westkoast]

How can Kobe be considered for Player of the Year and Iverson NOT be? Both teams aren't going to accomplish anything in the playoffs

I dunno, maybe because one team is making the playoffs 8 games over .500 and the other is not making the playoffs and is 6 games under .500??

Lakers have a chance to accomplish something, the Sixers well....you have to go to do something.

AI had a heck of a season but even tho the numbers are great this is not the best season he has ever had.

[Derek Bodner]

Anybody who mentions Kobe as even a top 5 MVP candidate is on absolute crack.  Nash, LeBron, Dirk, Elton Brand and even Shawn Marion (IMO) are better candidates this year.

BTW, AI is arguably a top 5 player this year.  Not only were his individual stats amazing, but his team +/- and PER differential were astronomical (The team was +9.5 pp100 possessions better when he was on the court than off the court, and his PER differential was +11.5.  Those two #'s were lower than Kobes's, which were +12 pp100p and +13 PER differential, but clearly warrant being mentioned in the same discussion).

BTW, for the talk of Kobe's defense, AI held pg's to a lower eFG% and virtually the same PER as Kobe held his man to.
Kobe:
http://www.82games.com/0506/05LAL7C.HTM
51.1% eFG, 16.0 PER
Iverson:
http://www.82games.com/0506/05PHI1C.HTM
49% eFG%, 16.2 PER

Particularly of note for AI was his opponents 29% iFG%, which is actually very good for a pg.  iFG% represents the % of shots taken inside the paint.    Billups, generally considered one of the top defensive pg's in the league, had an opponents iFG% of 28%.

Iverson had a top-5 in the league caliber season.  It actually wasn't his defense that crippled the 76ers.  Far from it, actually.

[westkoast]

Good points DB however, Andre seems to be the one that gets sicked on the best player on the other squad and not AI.  Same goes for Kobe for the most part, depending on how the game is going.  AI is not guarding Kobe when he comes to town, Andre is.  That has held true for other games I have watched during the season.  That doesn't discredit your stats obviously but the numbers would be slightly different.

Who said AI's defense was the problem with the Sixers this year?  Philly's problem was defense but not on the perimeter.  One would wonder really how much the fast break point department and points off turnovers department would look for the Sixers if AI was not jumping into passing lanes.

[rickortreat]

It would make no sense to have AI try to cover Kobe,  AI is too small to do an effective job.  Andre is much better suited to defend against more players because of his height and sheer athletic ability.  This is not a reflection on AI's abilities as a defender, but is a simple reality based on his height.  Neither of these players had a bad year defensively, but the other three on the floor, more often than not, were a liablity.


I would also dissagree with your statement about the Sixer's defense on the perimeter.  The teams that can shoot from the outside killed the Sixers this year,  our defenders were always a step slow or were out of positon.  I don't recall to many times when the defender was able to deny postion, or intercept a pass.  In addition the long rebounds made it difficult for our rebounders under the basket.
 


 

[Derek Bodner]

Good points DB however, Andre seems to be the one that gets sicked on the best player on the other squad and not AI

Right, AI wasn't sticking the best man.  And I'm not trying to say that AI was a better defender than Kobe.  But his defense, this year, actually wasn't that bad.

In fact, it might have been the 2nd best among the 76ers regulars.  Which, of course, might be the problem.