Does Antonio Davis deserve eight games?

[SPURSX3]

And who gets to determine...

1) was the man really drunk?  Or did just Davis think so?

2) was the man pawing his wife or simply touching her arm to get her attention in order to ask a question?

3) in the future who determines what level of interaction with a players' wife is acceptable?  If the player really has his head in the game....even during timeouts and huddles...then how does he know what transpired for the past 15 minutes in the stands.  Maybe the players' wife is the one who started the argument.

If I stand up and excuse myself to walk in front of Mrs. Christie do I have to worry about Doug flying into the stands because I blocked his view of his wife?  

If I ask Eva for an autograph do I worry about Parker crazily attacking me in the stands?

If I ask Kobe's wife to compare bling do I have to worry about being invited to a Colorado hotel room?



I applaud Davis for coming to the rescue of his wife but then I am not sure whether this was the right time or place for such gallantry.  I tend to agree more with Stern (and god I hate to say that) that there has to be a line between the court & the stands that cannot be crossed by anyone on EITHER side of the line.  If Davis' wife felt that she was in THAT much danger then she should have stood up and gone looking for security.

You know Lurker apperanlty there was enough for the police to determine that he DID need to be taken away by police.  This mind you is after they asked people in that area that saw it happen.  As for just touching to ask a question, if you physical contact is unwarranted or un wanted, it's assualt.  she has kids to think of, as well as her own safety.  I would not punish him in this circumstance, game security and NBA stressing to fans what is expected of them at games is needed.  When you buy that ticket you are agreeing to follow certain rules as a fan, and should be held accoutnable when you don't.  As for Eva, she is a star and probably used to it, however if she were being handled badly, or asked someone to stop touching her and they didn't would you say it would be wrong for someone to seperate them?  Davis di not attack this man and he cooperated with security, he came to the aid of his wife, he did not start the confrontation.  I side with him on this.  

[Joe Vancil]

I believe you have to suspend Davis, just to send the sign that players have to stay out of the stands.

8 games is ridiculous.  He did nothing abusive to any fan.

I suspend Davis 1 game for going into the stands, assuming that's all he did - same as the suspension for leaving the bench during a fight, and that's how I sell it if I'm the commissioner.  If he used profanity or threatened the fan, make it 5 games.  If he touched the fan in any manner, make it 15 games.  And if he committed any violent act against the fan, make it 25 games.

[SPURSX3]

And who gets to determine...

1) was the man really drunk?  Or did just Davis think so?

2) was the man pawing his wife or simply touching her arm to get her attention in order to ask a question?

3) in the future who determines what level of interaction with a players' wife is acceptable?  If the player really has his head in the game....even during timeouts and huddles...then how does he know what transpired for the past 15 minutes in the stands.  Maybe the players' wife is the one who started the argument.

If I stand up and excuse myself to walk in front of Mrs. Christie do I have to worry about Doug flying into the stands because I blocked his view of his wife?  

If I ask Eva for an autograph do I worry about Parker crazily attacking me in the stands?

If I ask Kobe's wife to compare bling do I have to worry about being invited to a Colorado hotel room?



I applaud Davis for coming to the rescue of his wife but then I am not sure whether this was the right time or place for such gallantry.  I tend to agree more with Stern (and god I hate to say that) that there has to be a line between the court & the stands that cannot be crossed by anyone on EITHER side of the line.  If Davis' wife felt that she was in THAT much danger then she should have stood up and gone looking for security.

too pull a "realitism" here.  

"If Davis' wife felt that she was in THAT much danger then she should have stood up and gone looking for security."


How are we to determine how much time actually allowed her to get up and leave, would it have been safe with kids in tow? etc.  


You want a line around players.  fine.  but you should protect the families and guests as visiting teams as well.  I mean, since security isn't enough apperantly, or nowhere to be found, etc.  

It' doesnt take blame off this man for harrasing his wife, or for Davis thinking that she may be in danger with no security around doing thier job.

[SPURSX3]

I believe you have to suspend Davis, just to send the sign that players have to stay out of the stands.

8 games is ridiculous.  He did nothing abusive to any fan.

I suspend Davis 1 game for going into the stands, assuming that's all he did - same as the suspension for leaving the bench during a fight, and that's how I sell it if I'm the commissioner.  If he used profanity or threatened the fan, make it 5 games.  If he touched the fan in any manner, make it 15 games.  And if he committed any violent act against the fan, make it 25 games.

1 game I guess I could deal with, but I think people need to be reminded that buying a ticket means abiding by certain rules of the NBA as well or you can be escorted out or have the police brought in.  This in my opinion is more the fans fault.

[SPURSX3]

LMAO... this guy, Axelrod - 22, is going to sue Davis and his wife for 1 mill is what his attorney is saying.  He claims Mrs Davis came at him and tried to scratch him becuase he was booing...right...lol.

[Lurker]

And who gets to determine...

1) was the man really drunk?  Or did just Davis think so?

2) was the man pawing his wife or simply touching her arm to get her attention in order to ask a question?

3) in the future who determines what level of interaction with a players' wife is acceptable?  If the player really has his head in the game....even during timeouts and huddles...then how does he know what transpired for the past 15 minutes in the stands.  Maybe the players' wife is the one who started the argument.

If I stand up and excuse myself to walk in front of Mrs. Christie do I have to worry about Doug flying into the stands because I blocked his view of his wife? 

If I ask Eva for an autograph do I worry about Parker crazily attacking me in the stands?

If I ask Kobe's wife to compare bling do I have to worry about being invited to a Colorado hotel room?



I applaud Davis for coming to the rescue of his wife but then I am not sure whether this was the right time or place for such gallantry.  I tend to agree more with Stern (and god I hate to say that) that there has to be a line between the court & the stands that cannot be crossed by anyone on EITHER side of the line.  If Davis' wife felt that she was in THAT much danger then she should have stood up and gone looking for security.

You know Lurker apperanlty there was enough for the police to determine that he DID need to be taken away by police.  This mind you is after they asked people in that area that saw it happen.  As for just touching to ask a question, if you physical contact is unwarranted or un wanted, it's assualt.  she has kids to think of, as well as her own safety.  I would not punish him in this circumstance, game security and NBA stressing to fans what is expected of them at games is needed.  When you buy that ticket you are agreeing to follow certain rules as a fan, and should be held accoutnable when you don't.  As for Eva, she is a star and probably used to it, however if she were being handled badly, or asked someone to stop touching her and they didn't would you say it would be wrong for someone to seperate them?  Davis di not attack this man and he cooperated with security, he came to the aid of his wife, he did not start the confrontation.  I side with him on this.

Yes AFTER THE FACT police determined the man deserved to be dealt with.  But HOW did Davis from over 100 feet away KNOW that the man was drunk.  Was it tattooed on his head?

My point is still valid....how does someone who's attention is focused elsewhere KNOW what is happening 100 feet away and able to determine such things as level of inebriation?  Hell, cops pulling over drivers have to administer tests before determining if someone is drunk but Davis KNEW it?  That's just BS to spin his error in entering the stands.

My statement about a line between stands & court stands. Davis was wrong.  Now the level of his punishment should take extenuating circumstances and player history into account...just like a judge in a courtroom should.  Joe's reasoning and suspension time is a solid one.

[westkoast]

LMAO... this guy, Axelrod - 22, is going to sue Davis and his wife for 1 mill is what his attorney is saying.  He claims Mrs Davis came at him and tried to scratch him becuase he was booing...right...lol.

That is understandable...

I mean she has never gone on a trip with Davis to watch games where the fans of the other team have boo'd!!  Talk about being a true stand up wife....anytime someone boos she claws at them.

"According to Axelrod, he was sitting in the seventh row and booed an official’s call. Kendra Davis “came out of her seat. I didn’t even pay attention to her. I thought she was just going to the bathroom or something,” he said.


Axelrod, who was sitting a couple of rows behind her, said she yelled at him to be quiet. Axelrod said he did not know she was Davis’ wife until the player ran into the stands.

Axelrod said Kendra Davis put both hands on his face, and that he motioned for security. He said she later went after another fan.

“I was glad she was done hitting me, but I didn’t want her to hit anyone else,” Axelrod said.


Riiiighhhttttttt  :rolleyes:

[SPURSX3]

And who gets to determine...

1) was the man really drunk?  Or did just Davis think so?

2) was the man pawing his wife or simply touching her arm to get her attention in order to ask a question?

3) in the future who determines what level of interaction with a players' wife is acceptable?  If the player really has his head in the game....even during timeouts and huddles...then how does he know what transpired for the past 15 minutes in the stands.  Maybe the players' wife is the one who started the argument.

If I stand up and excuse myself to walk in front of Mrs. Christie do I have to worry about Doug flying into the stands because I blocked his view of his wife? 

If I ask Eva for an autograph do I worry about Parker crazily attacking me in the stands?

If I ask Kobe's wife to compare bling do I have to worry about being invited to a Colorado hotel room?



I applaud Davis for coming to the rescue of his wife but then I am not sure whether this was the right time or place for such gallantry.  I tend to agree more with Stern (and god I hate to say that) that there has to be a line between the court & the stands that cannot be crossed by anyone on EITHER side of the line.  If Davis' wife felt that she was in THAT much danger then she should have stood up and gone looking for security.

You know Lurker apperanlty there was enough for the police to determine that he DID need to be taken away by police.  This mind you is after they asked people in that area that saw it happen.  As for just touching to ask a question, if you physical contact is unwarranted or un wanted, it's assualt.  she has kids to think of, as well as her own safety.  I would not punish him in this circumstance, game security and NBA stressing to fans what is expected of them at games is needed.  When you buy that ticket you are agreeing to follow certain rules as a fan, and should be held accoutnable when you don't.  As for Eva, she is a star and probably used to it, however if she were being handled badly, or asked someone to stop touching her and they didn't would you say it would be wrong for someone to seperate them?  Davis di not attack this man and he cooperated with security, he came to the aid of his wife, he did not start the confrontation.  I side with him on this.

Yes AFTER THE FACT police determined the man deserved to be dealt with.  But HOW did Davis from over 100 feet away KNOW that the man was drunk.  Was it tattooed on his head?

My point is still valid....how does someone who's attention is focused elsewhere KNOW what is happening 100 feet away and able to determine such things as level of inebriation?  Hell, cops pulling over drivers have to administer tests before determining if someone is drunk but Davis KNEW it?  That's just BS to spin his error in entering the stands.

My statement about a line between stands & court stands. Davis was wrong.  Now the level of his punishment should take extenuating circumstances and player history into account...just like a judge in a courtroom should.  Joe's reasoning and suspension time is a solid one.

No he didnt KNOW, but had you been in that position would you NOT go to find out for your self if it was your spouse?  Glad you and Reality would not atleast go to investigate and wait for security to come in, which apperantly took a while considering the fans were yelling and pointing for some time before Davis came along, security arrived AfTER he got there.  shouldnt they have responded FIRST?

[Reality]

Protect the fans??  

you know what I started typing a great rebuttal to your stupid assesment...It's not even worth it.  I let you live with it.  


 :nonono:

you've never heard of a fan assaulting another fan?

Then shutting the __ up is the best move you've made on this thread.

[SPURSX3]

Protect the fans?? 

you know what I started typing a great rebuttal to your stupid assesment...It's not even worth it.  I let you live with it. 


 :nonono:

you've never heard of a fan assaulting another fan?

Then shutting the __ up is the best move you've made on this thread.

Ah.. So now it IS assualt?  Fan to fan attack = ok.  fan to NBA wife = not ok because player should not come to aid of wife because security fails to respond.  Good logic.

[Lurker]

No he didnt KNOW, but had you been in that position would you NOT go to find out for your self if it was your spouse?  Glad you and Reality would not atleast go to investigate and wait for security to come in, which apperantly took a while considering the fans were yelling and pointing for some time before Davis came along, security arrived AfTER he got there.  shouldnt they have responded FIRST?

Yes, but his job also requires that he doesn't respond in that situation.  Security was slow to react but that does not justify Davis' reaction.  What if the other guy's story is the correct one and Davis' wife is the one who started the altercation?  Should Davis still rush to help his wife?

This is not to say I wouldn't defend my wife....that is using twisted logic.  The issue isn't what we would do but what Davis did.  Against the rules that he has agrred to uphold.  And without really knowing any of the facts surrounding the situation.  Facts that come to light AFTER an investigation cannot be used to justify his behavior at the time because THERE IS NO WAY HE KNEW THOSE FACTS!

It still begs the question...WHO gets to determine when it is justifiable for a player to confront a fan in the stands?  

[westkoast]

Anoter question that gets brought up is how long are the fans not going to be held responsible for their actions?  Didn't the Pacers fan only get banned from the building?  This guy will probably get off scott free.

Lurker is right, any man would go defend his wife from another man, however it was against the rules for him to do so.  He should get punished.  Just not an ejection and an 8 game suspension.

I do have to say that the guy who did this sounds full of crap.  Of ALL the people boo'ing the Knicks she went after him when they were on different rows?  He then goes on to say she attacked other people?!  Okay where are these people?!  Wouldn't security have seen her go after someone else?  You would think security would be monitoring that spot closely after the first incident?

Also, this league mandate that they've stepped up security is a lie.  That or Jerry Buss and The Donald have slipped by the mandate because Staples is no more safe now then it was the first year it opened up.

[Lurker]

There is one problem with the "beefed up security" issue.  What is enough security?  One cop for every 100 fans?  In a 15,000 seat arena tha's an additional 150 cops IN THE STANDS above the ones already used for parking, concourse area, etc.  And 'koast is right the owners aren't willing to dig into their pockets to cover the cost....which is ridiculous considering the price of tickets & concessions these days.

I believe that some of the fans involved in the Detroit incident were subject to probation and fines as well as loss of attendance privledges.

But in the end it comes down to the same issue...how do you control the few who will ruin something for the larger group?

[Reality]

While I agree somewhat with what your saying its hard to sit back and think rationale when you seem someone messing with the love of your life.

Which is exactly why my plan is enacted while I'm still on the floor.  If she is "the love of your life" -what preparations have you made for her safety?  Hecklers at a pro sports event?  Newver heard of that one before.

"To fail to prepare is to prepare to fail."

The time gap between player noticing/being alerted to heckler and arriving at scene is too late.  You, msc and Tex Tard are going to account for that time by _____?  (You are getting the point.)

Has anyone answered my or Lurkers questions as to what exactly heckler and Davis wife did and did not do.

Because of course women never lie.

 

[Guest]

And who gets to determine...

1) was the man really drunk?  Or did just Davis think so?

2) was the man pawing his wife or simply touching her arm to get her attention in order to ask a question?

3) in the future who determines what level of interaction with a players' wife is acceptable?  If the player really has his head in the game....even during timeouts and huddles...then how does he know what transpired for the past 15 minutes in the stands.  Maybe the players' wife is the one who started the argument.

If I stand up and excuse myself to walk in front of Mrs. Christie do I have to worry about Doug flying into the stands because I blocked his view of his wife?  

If I ask Eva for an autograph do I worry about Parker crazily attacking me in the stands?

If I ask Kobe's wife to compare bling do I have to worry about being invited to a Colorado hotel room?



I applaud Davis for coming to the rescue of his wife but then I am not sure whether this was the right time or place for such gallantry.  I tend to agree more with Stern (and god I hate to say that) that there has to be a line between the court & the stands that cannot be crossed by anyone on EITHER side of the line.  If Davis' wife felt that she was in THAT much danger then she should have stood up and gone looking for security.

If Davis' wife felt that she was in THAT much danger then she should have stood up and gone looking for security.

Yeah, this works:  "Excuse me, will you let go of me while I go get security, please?"  Do you REALLY think that is going to work.

Also, first you have to FIND security -- then you have to try and make security CARE about your issue.  I've been to several arenas and all security cares about is checking to make sure: 1) you have a ticket and 2) that you are sitting in the right section.