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Death by Committee-What the Groningen Protocol say
« on: December 03, 2004, 12:15:11 PM »
WHEN NEWS of the Groningen Protocol surfaced in October, it was reported in the Grand Forks Herald,though I didn't read of it, nor apparently did many others. The Groningen Protocol could have been the stuff of a fine presidential debate question, or a series of questions, but I doubt if any of the debate moderators or either of the presidential candidates had heard of it either. It is an intriguing title, but it should enter the history books as shorthand for an appalling brutality, so appalling in fact, that "The Groningen Protocol" could have been an entry on the agenda at the Wannsee Conference.

The Groningen Protocol is the proposal of doctors in the Netherlands for the establishment of an "independent committee" charged with selecting babies and other severely handicapped or disabled people for euthanasia. The original article provides some of the key details:


Under the Groningen protocol, if doctors at the hospital think a child is suffering unbearably from a terminal condition, they have the authority to end the child's life. The protocol is likely to be used primarily for newborns, but it covers any child up to age 12.

The hospital, beyond confirming the protocol in general terms, refused to discuss its details.

"It is for very sad cases," said a hospital spokesman, who declined to be identified. "After years of discussions, we made our own protocol to cover the small number of infants born with such severe disabilities that doctors can see they have extreme pain and no  
hope for life. Our estimate is that it will not be used but 10 to 15 times a year."

A parent's role is limited under the protocol. While experts and critics familiar with the policy said a parent's wishes to let a child live or die naturally most likely would be considered, they note that the decision must be professional, so rests with doctors.


On Tuesday the AP carried a second story, and Drudge broadcast the news to the cyber world: The protocol was already in effect, and at least four babies had been deemed disposable, and killed.

This is either a low point, or a point of no return. The establishment of "independent committees" to dispatch non-consenting humans is nothing but a death penalty committee for innocents. Once begun, it is impossible--simply impossible--to limit the concept with any bright line. Abortion, of course, has always been limited by the physical act of birth, and once out of the womb, only the most extreme "reproductive rights" advocates have argued that the baby's natural right to live can be compromised by the mother. But now the Netherlands has gone farther--much, much farther. If the "severely retarded" may be killed upon appropriate motion, second, debate, and majority vote, why not the moderately retarded? Why not the mildly retarded? Why not, in fact, anyone the "independent committee" deems as usefully dispatched.

Incredibly, the nation's elite media has turned a collective blind eye to this story, though the Los Angeles Times did, on the day following the Drudge headline, find time to put on the paper's front page, above the fold, the story that Salmon and Steelhead May Lose Protection, but not a column inch of ink for a radical leap past Kevorkian land into the regions of Mengele.

LAST WEEK I marveled at the casual manner with which the Target Corporation announced that the Salvation Army could no longer place its kettles and ring its bells outside the giant retailer's 1,500+ stores. It was a callous and Scrooge-like act, one that I and thousands of others found sufficiently appalling as to oblige us not to shop at the store this season. I noted the irony of a retailer grown fat on Christmas gift sales tossing the charity most closely aligned with the public's image of Christmas spirit.

How foolish to imagine that actions such as Target's would offend greatly when protocol's such as Groningen's pass without comment before the eyes of editorialists and talking heads. Four years into the new century, and one can only guess where it will end. I do not think it is safe to bet that these next 96 years will be less bloody that the years 1905 to 1999.


 
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Death by Committee-What the Groningen Protocol say
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2004, 01:55:21 PM »
Wow!  My jaw just dropped to my desk reading this.  Please tell me this is fake Ziggy.  I cannot believe something like this would even be thought up.  What makes it worse is people are seriously thinking about pushing this.

Why is it the doctor's decision?  Why cant the doctor tell the children's parents 'Your child is suffering really bad and this WILL NOT get any better' then let them decide.
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Death by Committee-What the Groningen Protocol say
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2004, 02:35:48 PM »
Big brother interferring with people's lives again.  The problem is who draws the line and where do they draw it, allowing them to end another's life.

Many of them become a financial burden, and society has a right to decide how to support such people, or even if they should be supported.  But how that supersedes a parents right to have and raise a child, is beyond me.

As long as the parents are able and willing to take care of their offspring, I don't see how this intrusion into people's lives is justified.  

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2004, 03:03:30 PM »
I live in Oregon, the only US state that expressly allows Drs. to prescribe lethal doses of medication to be used to committ suicide.  I voted against it in Oregon, and I am a vociferous opponent of Dr assisted suicide.  This is the reason why.  It is appalling to me, that a medical committee would decide who should live and who should die.  It appalls me that people who are not critically ill, but who have significant depression and are allowed to doctor shop until they find a physicatrist who well support their desire to kill themseleves, and that a medical professional will then proscribe the medication to do so.
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Death by Committee-What the Groningen Protocol say
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2004, 04:34:50 PM »
In regards to the protocol I am as aghast as the others here.  To give the decision on life or death to a committee who has no emotional attachment to the situation is horrible.  The only time I could possibly see this as defensable would be in situations where there is no remaining family members and the entire burden falls upon the citizenry as a whole.

As far as these comments:
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LAST WEEK I marveled at the casual manner with which the Target Corporation announced that the Salvation Army could no longer place its kettles and ring its bells outside the giant retailer's 1,500+ stores. It was a callous and Scrooge-like act, one that I and thousands of others found sufficiently appalling as to oblige us not to shop at the store this season. I noted the irony of a retailer grown fat on Christmas gift sales tossing the charity most closely aligned with the public's image of Christmas spirit.


Target did not make a "casual" decision.  They were being inundated by other organizations to allow equal access.  Target's decision was to allow no one to solicit on their property as opposed to opening up the floodgates to every organization that wanted to set up in front of their stores.
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