Rayders over Donkeys

[Reality]

if anyone caught the end of the cheatin cut blockin Denver Donkeys hosting the Rayders, all i can say is that was one sweet ending.  Whole 4th qtr was good but the last 4 minutes were superb.  Endzone catch by Raider was great.  Same guy a minute later falling down on his own 10 yards from the goal line killed me.
But they punched it in anyways for the 25-24.  Thank goodness the zebras got the endzone pass interference call right.

Philly is just gettened up for another playoff kill.
MN has to have Moss.
Michael Vick rocks.
SD Chargers what can you say.
N.E. needs to be stopped.  This is getting old.  They do not beat themselves tho.

[westkoast]

if anyone caught the end of the cheatin cut blockin Denver Donkeys hosting the Rayders, all i can say is that was one sweet ending.  Whole 4th qtr was good but the last 4 minutes were superb.  Endzone catch by Raider was great.  Same guy a minute later falling down on his own 10 yards from the goal line killed me.
But they punched it in anyways for the 25-24.  Thank goodness the zebras got the endzone pass interference call right.

Philly is just gettened up for another playoff kill.
MN has to have Moss.
Michael Vick rocks.
SD Chargers what can you say.
N.E. needs to be stopped.  This is getting old.  They do not beat themselves tho.

I was having a debate last night with someone on the best QB in the league right now.  Seeing you are a pretty big nfl fan I was hoping that you would weigh in on it.

Vick
Manning
Brady

Which one do you feel is the best in the game?

Oh ya and even tho it was a good game.......us raider fans are still bitter about how this whole season has gone.

[Derek Bodner]

Vick doesn't deserve to be mentioned.  Anyone who throws only 21 times a game, while only completing 57% of those throws for around 160 yards/game on average isn't the best of anything.  Seriously, 160 yards a game, with a bad td to int ratio.

Manning's obviously got the incredible stats, but if I'm looking for a pressure qb i'll go with brady.

[westkoast]

Vick doesn't deserve to be mentioned.  Anyone who throws only 21 times a game, while only completing 57% of those throws for around 160 yards/game on average isn't the best of anything.  Seriously, 160 yards a game, with a bad td to int ratio.

Manning's obviously got the incredible stats, but if I'm looking for a pressure qb i'll go with brady.

Ok...Im glad im not crazy because pretty much I was saying the same exact thing you were.  I was like how is Vick anywhere near Manning or Brady and I got the reply "If Vick was in their situation he would be doing better"

I was like stats/on fire wise its Manning..........but if you want to talk about being consistant and just straight money in the playoffs, you go with Brady.

[Reality]

Tough one.

Manning and McNabb have to do it in the playoffs.  Manning did have a potential AFC championship game late tying drive pass fall on the ground as the cheatin holding grabbing clutching New England linebacker held up the much faster Indy tight end.

Supposedly NEs and other teams holding crap was gonna be clamped down on this year with a new rules change.  I don't see it being enforced.

Back to the question.
Brady is part of a system, and in saying that i am hardly dissing him.  So were Bradshaw and Joe Montana, altho i think Joe M was twice the QB Bradshaw was.  Still, not dissing Bradshaw either.  Likewise Brady benefits from the whole pachage that is NE.  Nonetheless he is fantastic in that system.

Bods i think some crack smoke is drifting from the campus to your crib.  Forget the stats, Vick is the bomb.  His run/pass threat and ability to change directions/stop n go is the best since Deon.  He might not be the best but his is the difference maker.  Already shown it in the playoff arena also in spanking Green Bay at Lambeau.

I don't know if Philly is gonna flop again but three straight needs to be erased before McNabb gets any nod.

Final answer:
Brady.

Honorable mention 4th place dont laugh since we are talking about "right now"
Drew Brees
also rookie Rothlesburger.

[jn]

Let's not overlook Daunte, who's within a couple tenths of a percentage point of Ken Anderson's all time record for completion percentage, among other great stats achieved without Moss for a whole month. It's hard to pick him over Brady or Manning but you have to take him over Vick.  

P.S. It looks like Manning will break Marino's record but consider this.  Peyton has Edge behind him.  Marino had Woody Bennet.  Also some analysts mentioned that Marino's dolphins played most of the top ranked defenses during his record breaking year, Manning has faced almost none of this years top D's.  

[Derek Bodner]

Forget the stats

Forget the hype.

Vick has some incredible physical tools, but he's not a quarterback yet.   Not even close to upper echelon of the league.  He's not even a young Randall yet, and Randall's not half the quarterback McNabb is.

I don't know if Philly is gonna flop again but three straight needs to be erased before McNabb gets any nod.

Makes sense.  McNabb has 5 career playoff wins, Vick 1.  Yet McNabb has something to prove.

All they said about John Elway was he couldn't win the big game.  Until he won the big game.  Then he became Mr. Big Game.

As for Manning's record breaking year... :nonono:

Incredible QB, but not as good as those stats indicate.

[Reality]

Forget the stats

Forget the hype.

Vick has some incredible physical tools, but he's not a quarterback yet.   Not even close to upper echelon of the league.  He's not even a young Randall yet, and Randall's not half the quarterback McNabb is.

I don't know if Philly is gonna flop again but three straight needs to be erased before McNabb gets any nod.

Makes sense.  McNabb has 5 career playoff wins, Vick 1.  Yet McNabb has something to prove.

All they said about John Elway was he couldn't win the big game.  Until he won the big game.  Then he became Mr. Big Game.

As for Manning's record breaking year... :nonono:

Incredible QB, but not as good as those stats indicate.

I think Vick, while not in upper upper echelon is already near upper.
Agree he has more game learning to do.
However he already has what seperates a lot of no gos from advancers, that is the tweener touch pass.  That and his game-on-line gamebreaker proven abilities puts him near upper for me.  So they win in the late 4th on some Vick scramble pass or scramble run.  Bottom line is ATL wins with him in.

McNabb does not compare to Elway.  Here is why.  Elways close but no cigar years consisted of Elway being by far the driving force that brought the Broncos as close as they got.  I do not see the same thing with Philly.  I think he has had some excellent defenses (Broncs sucked a lot Elway years) and some good weapons on O.  I will say that Terrell Owen gives McNabb the gamebreaker endzone reacher that he has not had before.  Also will say the injury year for McNabb looked to me like it was Phillys year before the injury.  I know he played the NFC championship that year but he was not 100%.  True also that Elway did not win until Dan Reeves was out and Mike Scamahan/Terrel Davis were in.

Ok, move to strike the McNabb discussion til this years playoffs.  Maybe it will come down to Philly vs ATL.  B)  

[Derek Bodner]

McNabb had offensive weapons?  James Thrash?  Todd Pinkston?  The only offensive weapon he had last year was Westbrook, who missed the NFC championship game.

When Elway got the supporting cast, he was finally able to win.  You'll see the same with McNabb

[Reality]

Hmmn i thought 3 of the last 4 years, (before last year) McNabb had a good running back and some good recievers.  Didnt they lose the running back and recievers of those years.  And good defenses all along.  

Elroid took Denver to the Bowl 3Xs prior to the winning changes.  Then threw for 300+ yards a couple times in Bowl losses.  

McNabb is 0-3 in NFC championships.  I would not have started him in the injury year when he came back after 6-8 weeks off.  Eagles won with Ace Freely (what was his name?).   They won while McNabb was injured.  Denver was toast without Elway.

OK McNabb should have all the surrounding cast for this years playoffs.
He needs to Bowl.

[Derek Bodner]

mcnabb's been winning with an injured duce staley (never recovered after lis-franc injury) and an aging dorsey levens.  One year he actually went to the 2nd round of the playoffs with Chris Warren (retired after his last eagle game) and Darnell Autry (an actor, no joke) to go along with Torrence Small and Chad Johnson as his wide outs.

That's the year he was 2nd in MVP voting.  And for good reason.  Take a look at those players I listed stats.  Wow.

Last year was the only year he had a legitimate running back (Duce's last good year, pre-injury, came before McNabb was the fulltime starter) in Westbrook, and he went down with an injury just before the NFC Championship game.

The Eagles have always had a good, albeit not dominating, defense.  They always gave up yards and didn't get off the field very well.  And take a look at the mainstays of that defense.  Most preceeded Donovan.  We were 5-11 before Donovan.  We've averaged over 11 wins/year since Donovan.  You figure it out.

And please, don't give me AJ Feeley.  Take a look at the teams we played.  They flat out sucked.  We played one winning team in those last 6 weeks, the Giants, and they spanked us.

[Reality]

I will say i do not follow the Eagles that closely.
I know you needed me to point that out.
Westbrook ya that was a blow if i remember.  He was their gamebreaker, no?

So what is the expectation level of Eagle Nation this year?  Esp with current 10-1 record?  Or does it depend on how they go out, if they go out?

Is less then an NFC Championship a let down, or again will it be how the game is played?

 

[rickortreat]

The Eagles will finish the season without another loss.  Pittsburgh was a wake-up call, and they altered their defensive personel as a result.

The only team in the NFC who can give them any trouble is Atlanta,  since it's very hard to stop Vick.  

This is the first year that McNabb has had the tools on offense to score.  He's never have a decent wide-out and now he has the best.  That's the reason the Eagles are 10-1.  T.O. has put them over the top.  The only team that can score with them is Indianapolis.  He's always had a running back, and a decent tight end, but no-one to stretch the field.

I'm not worried about the Eagles loosing until they get to the Super Bowl.  They will face either Pittsbugh, New England or Indy, and right now, I'm giving the nod to Pittsburgh.

Keep in mind that when the Eagles lost to Pittsburgh, they didn't have Westbrook, and Trotter was not in the starting lineup.  The Eagles also had injuries on their offensive line, that they hadn't addressed properly.

I expect a Pittsburgh/ Philly Super Bowl, with the Eagles defense able to stop the Stealers from controlling the clock.  Their defense will break down as the game goes on, and McNabb will find a way to win in the end.