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WOW - Jim O'brien announcers starters
« on: October 26, 2004, 06:37:12 PM »
Jim O'brien announced today that his starting lineup was:
pg: Allen Iverson
sg: Aaron McKie
sf: Andre Iguodala (liked him, didn't expect him to start from opening day though).
pf: Kenny Thomas
c:  Mark Jackson

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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2004, 06:39:19 PM »
Love Andre Iguodala starting.  Not many 20 year old rookies come in and start from opening day anymore, let alone beat out a former all-star, 20 ppg scorer.

Aaron McKie?  Eh.  Like the skillset he brings, but not sure he can (or will) play more than 20 minutes/game.  Think Willie Green might have been the better choice.

Mark Jackson?  Eh....better on offense than dalembert, and probably the smarter defender right now.  But Dalembert has all-star potential, and you gotta let him play through some mistakes.  He's a great shot blocking and rebounding force, neither of which jackson brings.

Interesting, to say the least.  Didn't think he had the stones to bench Glenn.


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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2004, 10:54:19 PM »
Oh, well that's just great!  Thanks a bunch, O'Brien.  I hope your cat gets run over by a car...

In all seriousness, at least I have a new most-hated coach to root against.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2004, 03:02:04 PM »
I'm fine with the lineup- O'Brien has a wealth of talent now, and doesn't need the Big dog starting or even playing to win.

That's a good thing- he's always lacked motivation as a player and complacency is what turns a talented player into a waste of money.  Benching Big Dog will either push him to play harder when he's in, or end up costing him a lot of money when his contract is up.

With the depth of talent at the forward spots with Igoudala, Williamson, Thomas, Robinson and Korver the only thing that concerns me is rebounding.  Thery can all score and pass and Korver can really shoot from outside.  They move well enough to cause any defense problems and Thomas and Willliamson are both decent inside scoring threats.

I'm a little surprised that Dalembert is comming off the bench, but that's ok too.  He needs seasoning and can get some of that while watching from the bench. It also puts enourmous pressure on the oppossing team's second unit, since his shot-blocking and rebounding skills are pretty good.  The Sixers are still a little weak at center with Jackson, Skinner and Dalembert, but there aren't too many teams in the league that have a better group at Center to exploit that, especially in the East.  Dalembert still needs to work on his positioning skills, but he clearly has huge upside potential.

I would expect that when the Sixers play some of the bigger teams out west, O'Brien may start both Dalembert and Jackson to keep them competitive on the boards.  Maybe they can try to work a trade for Robinson to find another center.

The guards are still very strong for the team, with Iverson at the point, the Sixers will naturally be an up-tempo club.  With the depth of talent, they can run a lot of teams out of the building.  Green, Ollie and Salmons are all decent backups, and as long as they can stay agressive in going to the basket, and work hard on defence the team will be in good shape.  It looks like they didn't need Snow after all.  I was out in Ohio and saw an exhibition game between the Cavaliers and the Celtics.  Eric ran the team very well when he was in there, and played solid defense.  But he is short and a little slow, compared with the ones we still have.

I was very impressed watching the Sixers dismantle Utah last night.  The defense looked better than it has in a very long time, agaisnt a team that really works on it's execution.  Utah doesn't have the height to control the boards against the Sixers, and they weren't quick enough on defence to keep them from scoring.

The Sixers apart from Iverson, Mckie and Robinson are pretty young so there's a lot of room for these players to grow and the team to improve.  As it is now, I think they're a playoff team, and in the Atlantic division, probably the best right now.  They may have enough talent to challenge Detroit and Indiana in the conference, but time will tell.  

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2004, 03:31:21 PM »
I thought Marc Jackson would be a serviceable back-up back-up -- the call to Jim O'Brien really helped, I guess.  Jackson is a decent center (although Dalembert has more potential) and here's hoping he has a great fantasy season!    :D  

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2004, 04:49:05 PM »
Do you really want McKie guarding the 2 guards in the league?

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2004, 05:12:09 PM »
Yes, I do want him guarding the 2's.  Mckie is stronger than most of them and plays solid position defense.  He is experienced enough to know how to use his teamates to good effect, and with a shot-blocker like Dalembert, and the other players eager to take a swipe at the ball, will produce enough turnovers to hurt the other team.

He's also a scoring threat, with the ability to back the oppossing player down in the post.  Even the best 2's in the league, don't like to defend against him because of his strength and ability to establish positon.  He's not a major scorer, except on rare occassions, but he is capable of putting together a triple double.  On the Sixers, he's not needed to score much anyway, with Iverson and Thomas and Igoudala.  He is one player who has proved to be compatible with Iverson, which isn't easy.  IMO, he's a pro's pro.

My only concern is that he's getting old, and possibly slower.  It's a good thing the Sixers are deep at the 2 spot, so if he gets tired, Willie Green or John Salmons can step right in.  Mckie is in because he has the experience.  The other players will start to play more as the coach gains confidence in their ability.  Both Green and Salmons are young and inexperienced, so it's to the Sixers advantage to give them the time to develop.

You may recall that Kobe gave Mckie and Snow great compliments, saying they did a better job on him than anyone else in the league.  That was back when they played LA in the finals, but McKie is still the same, solid player that he was.

At this point, who else would you want to start ahead of him?

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2004, 05:47:20 PM »
I agree he is stronger than other defenders and def uses his head more.....but hes not quick enough anymore to guard half of the 2 guards in the league.  Just my take.  You guys know his skills better than I do.  I watch him probably not even half as much as you guys do.  

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2004, 06:31:42 PM »
this is dbodner, i'm just too lazy to log in.

mckie will be fine defending the position.  he may not be the quickest, but he has great hand speed (he deflects a lot of balls), good size, and great knowledge.  Jim O'brien's defense is geared towards team defense, and he's as good as it gets in that regard.  Also, O'brien has described his D as having a high similarity to Chaney's matchup D.  It only makes sense that two players with experience in chaney's D (temple grads McKie and Jackson) start.

and, 2 things to keep in mind.
1) McKie won't be guarding the premier perimeter player.  He won't be guarding pierce, mcgrady, lebron and kobe.  that job will go to andre iguodala.  in years past, mckie was our best option on those players, now he's not.

2) he won't be playing more minutes/game than he did in years past.  In fact, he'll probably play less.  He's in the starting lineup because he's the best fit with Iverson, and to provide veteran leadership.  O'brien said himself he didn't want to start the rookie iguodala with the 2nd year pro Green and what is essentially a 2nd year (because of injuries) dalembert.

He'll still likely only play 25 mpg tops.