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Offline Derek Bodner

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2009, 09:33:40 AM »
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Now, you can hate on Dalembert all you want, but I really don't know what you want from him


maybe....the rest of the game?

"holding" superman to 10 first quarter points and 10 3rd quarter points isn't exactly the kind of defensive effort I was looking for.  His defense was bad for the first 3 quarters.  I don't think I made all that crazy of an assertion.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2009, 10:11:55 AM »
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Now, you can hate on Dalembert all you want, but I really don't know what you want from him


maybe....the rest of the game?

"holding" superman to 10 first quarter points and 10 3rd quarter points isn't exactly the kind of defensive effort I was looking for.  His defense was bad for the first 3 quarters.  I don't think I made all that crazy of an assertion.

Except all I said was that he shut down Howard down the stretch.  I never said anything about his defense in the first 3 quarters.  I totally agree that he wasn't good earlier in the game.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  You're just arguing against a point I didn't make.  Give Dalembert credit for showing up for at least one quarter because it's more than we normally get from him.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2009, 10:16:01 AM »
What kind of defense calls for Sam to go running around the 3pt. line?  Explain it to me.  Is Sam doing this on his own, or has he been taught to do it by some moron like Lynam or something?

Maybe it's me, but you have a rebounder and a shot-blocker, you keep him near the hoop and near the All-Star Center he's guarding.  Howard had a monster game last night, and neither Theo or Sam could do anything other than foul him. (Officials let him get away with murder, just like they used to with Shaq. If the guy move to the basket and dislodges you that's a foul. Especially when he pushes you inside that stupid semi-circle.)

But Sam has done a fairly good job when he's in there of protecting the basket. Considering the team's unwillingness to put a big line-up on the floor, they've been surprisingly competitive in rebounding.

To rick: The Magic are more talented than us.  They've just happened to be fairly cold except for one small stretch in the 3rd quarter.  At any point, they can re-find their 3 point stroke and we're cooked.  And the reason Mo isn't playing is because he's proven he can't guard wing players on the perimeter and he's not nearly strong enough to deal with Superman.  It's a terrible matchup for him.  I pretty much totally agreed with the minutes tonight.

EDIT: I just looked at the boxscore, and noticed that Thad happened to lead the team in +/-.  I wonder how much of that is coincidence and how much of that is he and Iggy being able to totally remove Hedo and Shard from the game while nobody else on the Sixers can guard either.

The Magic are not more talented.  The Sixers are. Our Forwards are better- Thad only has recently surpassed Lewis but it's clear from this series that he is.  Iguodala is dominating Hedo- who is probably more hurt than he admits.  And Andre Miller is a much better player than Alston.  Beyond Howard, who else do the Magic have that impresses you?  Do they have anyone with the potential of Lou or Marreese? Do you really think Courtney Lee is in the same class as Lou Williams?  The Magic were a better team during the regular season, when they had Jameer, we'd have been better if we had Elton, but we don't. With the current rosters the Sixers are slightly more talented.

Also with regard to Marreese, the Sixers shouldn't be as worried about defense as they are about scoring points. The team totally lost momentum towards the end of the 3rd because Dileo did no substituting and the players got tired and lost focus.  No one was stopping the Magic from shooting those three's, but the Sixers could have put the game away right then when they had a 15 point lead. They needed new blood in there to keep the rally going and putting in Speights and Marshall would have killed them.  Speights is the only player who can occupy Howard down low. With an inside presence to move Howard around, and an outside presence to spread the defense, the lanes would be wide open for our drivers.

You can outscore a team or stop them from scoring. But once you have a lead, you can keep it by trading baskets, the only way to ensure that is to keep scoring and when the opposing team stops what you were doing, you have to find something else. The Sixers got lucky, in both this game and the first one they won. The coaching staff is barely adequate which is why our winning margin is so small.  If we had less talent we wouldn't be in this series.  Our defensive quickness is killing their forwards on both ends.

This team still has no post game and it is amazing that they can continue to win with scoring from wing players and guards. If this team is going to have any real success this year, they are going to have to play Speights and trust that the additional offense will offset the defensive deficiencies. Both Andres are very good finishers, and so is Thad, but if that shot doesn't go in, the ref swallows his whistle and we lose the game. With another big to threaten to score, Howard's attention would be divided, he doesn't worry about leaving Dalembert, he knows he's not a threat!  Speights can actually shoot.  A good coach would be using that, or at least experimenting with it.  Instead they're playing Reggie Evans. Admit it something is seriously wrong.  It's not as though Reggie can guard wing players, and Marreese can foul as well as Willie Green.   There is a serious disconnect here, and it is an error.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2009, 01:28:44 PM »
I...don't even know where to start...

Lewis is easily better than Thad.  Iggy's advantage over Hedo isn't nearly as large as Superman against our center trio.  Courtney Lee is way better than Lou on both ends of the floor.  Gortat/Battie is better than Speights right now.  Calm down with your Mo Speights manlove.  He's not that good yet.  Speights has absolutely no shot against Howard, and showed that the one time he got an opportunity.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2009, 02:17:35 PM »
I don't believe Lewis is a better overall play than the Thad we've seen of the last 20-25 games.  On the season Lewis wins PER differential (+4.7 to +2.4), but I would reckon over the last 25 games, Thad's is at least that.  It also helps Lewis tremendously to play next to Dwight, which helps him both offensively (by forcing double teams and creating space) and defensively (with Dwight's insane weakside defense and rebounding).   Whereas I don't think Thad's teammates complement him at all.

By next year, I think we say Thad's the better player easily.

Gortat's trash.

I'll give you Lee.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2009, 04:09:15 PM »
The question of whether to play Speights or not comes down to this:  Would you rather have a line-up with A. Sam Dalembert, Thad Young, Andre Iguodala, Willie Green and Andre Miller.  OR:
B. Sam Dalembert, Marreese Speights, Thad Young, Andre Iguodala and Andre Miller?

Just the ability to let Thad and Andre play against other players, and the extra size we get in the middle between Sam and Marreese, should result in a significant advantage. Speights isn't a Center, and he shouldn't be expected to handle Howard, but he should be able to match up with Lewis and give us an edge at Power Forward.

Why should our players, be shorter than Orlando's if they don't have to be?  Why can't Thad and Andre play in the positions they are better suited for?

At this time of year, you want to maximize the talent and capability of your players to the greatest extent. You definitely don't want to squander it and let it go unused, or overlook a combination that gives you a consistent advantage.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2009, 04:24:49 PM »
@DBods: At the very least, Thad and Lewis are equal right now.  I agree that Thad will be the better player next year, but he's clearly still hampered by the ankle injury to some extent right now.

@rick: It depends who they have out there.  Speights has shown time and again that he can't handle perimeter PFs, so I don't think he can match up with Lewis at all.  I'd rather see that first lineup (with Lou or Ivey instead of Green) than the second one against their starting lineup.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2009, 05:09:56 PM »
Agreed that thad's hampered, but I think he's closer to full strength than Lewis.  I didn't expect Lewis' injury to hurt him much because of his skillset, but he's had a problem getting free space.

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Re: Game 3: Sixers vs. Magic: The refs are on our side now!
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2009, 08:19:31 AM »
Today should be quite interesting...and it should show us alot about our team.  Do they have what it takes (balls) to come out and step on the necks of their opponent?  Will the guys we need to step up...step up?

My keys to the series were to get Howard in foul trouble at least twice (we failed to take advantage of that in Game 2), and to deny him receipt...so as to reduce his effectiveness...to take pressure off our perimeter defenders.  Well, instead, Tony and Sam seems content to LET him have the ball...and allow him to score...so as to take pressure off our perimeter defenders.  I'd prefer they do it my way instead. ;)

Ok...today?  An all-out transition assault - even after MADE baskets.  The thinking is that we need to score more points today.  I'd like something awfully close to 100.  This energy needs to happen at the other end of the floor, too.  I'd like to see about 15-16 forced TO's.  This aggressiveness will result in more fouls by us...but I'm ok with that; it'll also result in more assists and points.

MAKE FOUL SHOTS!  If we don't, we don't deserve to win.  Iggy is at 61% - that's laughable.  But I ain't laughing.

Lou Will:  We need 13-15 or so from you today, kid. 

Tony - gotta go to Sam in the 4th.  Everyone in the building knows that...you should, too.

Overall - the thing all of this has in common is 'aggressiveness'.  We need to want this more.  Really, truly WANT it more.

Do that...it's 3-1.