How good was/is Michael Vick?

[Reality]

As a treater of animals, very bad.
When he gets out of prison in 2009 or so will he get picked up by an NFL team?  Count on it.

Stictly as an NFL QB, while you Eagles got the best of him in two playoff games.....
Look at Atlanta with and without Vick.
With.  Couple of playoffs, 2-2 playoff record, beat Farve Green Bay at GB in playoffs (never had been done).
Rushed for 1000+ yards best all time.

Without.
2-9 in 2003, with Vick coming back from injury in Dec and going 3-2.
3-8 so far this year.

My conclusion, Vick made well below average sucky ATL teams good, very good a couple years.  Not Superbowl good, but these teams do not even sniff the playoffs without him yet sniff them virtually every year with him.  As to his qb skills, like the Centerless NBA, in a current NFL with not a lot of good QBs, Vick was in the top 1/3rd hands down.

[Derek Bodner]

Vick was in the top 1/3rd hands down.

You're out of your mind.

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Mike Vicks stats
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                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2001 atl |   8 |    50   113  44.2   785   6.9   2   3 |    29   300   1 |
| 2002 atl |  15 |   231   421  54.9  2936   7.0  16   8 |   113   777   8 |
| 2003 atl |   5 |    50   100  50.0   585   5.8   4   3 |    40   255   1 |
| 2004 atl |  15 |   181   321  56.4  2313   7.2  14  12 |   120   902   3 |
| 2005 atl |  15 |   214   387  55.3  2412   6.2  15  13 |   102   597   6 |
| 2006 atl |  16 |   204   388  52.6  2474   6.4  20  13 |   123  1039   2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   |  74 |   930  1730  53.8 11505   6.7  71  52 |   527  3870  21 |
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His replacement, Joey Harrington's stats, on far worse teams

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                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
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| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2002 det |  14 |   215   429  50.1  2294   5.3  12  16 |     7     4   0 |
| 2003 det |  16 |   309   554  55.8  2880   5.2  17  22 |    30    86   0 |
| 2004 det |  16 |   274   489  56.0  3047   6.2  19  12 |    48   175   0 |
| 2005 det |  13 |   188   330  57.0  2021   6.1  12  12 |    24    80   0 |
| 2006 mia |  11 |   223   388  57.5  2236   5.8  12  15 |    19    24   0 |
| 2007 atl |  12 |   215   348  61.8  2215   6.4   7   8 |    14    33   0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   |  82 |  1424  2538  56.1 14693   5.8  79  85 |   142   402   0 |
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Other than rushing yards, and interceptions Harrington is better, and Joey isn't even close to a top 1/3 QB.  Vick was a very medicore NFL OB.

[Reality]

Other than rushing yards, and interceptions Harrington is better, and Joey isn't even close to a top 1/3 QB.  Vick was a very medicore NFL OB.

pssssshh.  How can you exclude rushing yards when talking about Vick!?
Only Randall Cunningham and Steve Young have more rushing yards at the quarterback position than Vick. He is also first among QB's all-time in rushing yards per game, at 53.5 yards per game.  Vick also holds several NFL quarterback rushing records, including most rushing yards in one game (173), most 100-yard rushing games (7), and most rushing yards in a single season (1,039).

Joeys record and playoff appearances?

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Other than rushing yards, and interceptions Harrington is better, and Joey isn't even close to a top 1/3 QB.  Vick was a very medicore NFL OB.

pssssshh.  How can you exclude rushing yards when talking about Vick!?
Only Randall Cunningham and Steve Young have more rushing yards at the quarterback position than Vick. He is also first among QB's all-time in rushing yards per game, at 53.5 yards per game.  Vick also holds several NFL quarterback rushing records, including most rushing yards in one game (173), most 100-yard rushing games (7), and most rushing yards in a single season (1,039).

Joeys record and playoff appearances?

I am not ignoring Vicks rushing stats.  I was just comparing him to Joey, and Joey is better except for rusing and int's.  Vick is better than Joey, didn't say he wasn't.  Vick isn't substantially better than Joey though.  Vick averaged 202 YPG (rushing and passing), Joey averaged 181 YPG.  Vick played on teams with a great deal more talent.
Joey is a below average NFL QB, Vick was just an average NFL QB, nothing more.