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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2007, 09:21:48 AM »
Here is a clearer explanation...Bucher took a few liberties.

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Bryant told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher Sunday that he wants the Lakers to bring West back to the organization and give him full authority. If the Lakers don't want to do that, Bryant said he would be willing to waive his no-trade clause and welcome a trade from the only organization he has played for in the NBA.

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2007, 09:31:50 AM »
Jerry West weighs in:

"I haven't thought about it at all until Kobe brought it up today. My main priority is to [Grizzlies owner] Mike Heisley and to finish up with the Memphis Grizzlies," West told ESPN's Jim Gray on Sunday night. "I am fiercely loyal to Mike, as I am to Mitch Kupchak. Having said that, I'm a lifelong Laker and we will see what happens."


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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2007, 12:35:39 PM »
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"I haven't thought about it at all until Kobe brought it up today. My main priority is to [Grizzlies owner] Mike Heisley and to finish up with the Memphis Grizzlies," West told ESPN's Jim Gray on Sunday night. "I am fiercely loyal to Mike, as I am to Mitch Kupchak. Having said that, I'm a lifelong Laker and we will see what happens."

That post makes it sound as though Jerry West is thinking about it.

But this article makes it sound as though Jerry West is so incensed with Kobe, he will never return to Los Angeles.

Does anybody know who the hell knows what they're talking about??  >:( 


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The Logo's livid with Kobe
 
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
May 29, 2007

 
Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone in his life. Professional, personal, it's never mattered to him. He can be calculated and merciless this way. When he wants something, it seems everyone's disposable.

So, it is little surprise to discover that, through a source who has spoken with Jerry West, that the Logo is downright livid with Bryant for demanding West's return to the Los Angeles Lakers at the expense of his protégé, Mitch Kupchak.

Maybe there was a chance that West could've come back with the Lakers, but Bryant's self-absorbed and self-destructive crusade to crush Kupchak over Memorial Day weekend has made it far less likely.

Yes, West and Bryant have always shared the bond of cutthroat competitiveness, DNA that demands greatness of themselves and those surrounding them. For both, it has been a blessing and a curse, but it's an undeniable thread that runs through them.

Yet, here's the difference: West is legendarily loyal.

Once West's contract expires with the Grizzlies after the NBA draft, perhaps there had been a possibility that he could return to the Lakers as a consultant. Nothing has been discussed with owner Jerry Buss, the source said, and West issued a statement on Monday night insisting that he would never, ever do anything that would undermine Kupchak.

"Kobe has to turn on everyone at some point, cut people and ties in almost every relationship in his life," a former Bryant associate said Monday. "He turns on people because he believes he's not getting what he deserves. He has a one-track mind that thinks the world revolves around him and doesn't take a second to consider the costs, or what's the best way to handle something.

"This is the same stuff he did with (Shaquille O'Neal). He would leak the story, instigate it and then not understand why it never worked. Shaq is still more beloved than Kobe, and he will always be in L.A. People have seen this all before with Kobe. This never turns out right for him."

Bryant has stayed true to character in this embarrassing episode, going back and forth on his demands over the weekend. First, he ripped Kupchak, insisting that he had been, more or less, incompetent on the job. Then he told ESPN the Magazine that, unless West was brought back to run the Lakers, he wanted a trade. Once that got out, Bryant must have understood he had far overplayed his hand, done devastating damage to the mythical rehabilitation of his image.

He knew he had gone too far. He should've apologized and acknowledged he was out of line talking this way.

Only, he denied saying it, despite the fact that the writer has been a long-time confidant. Typical Kobe, selling out someone else.

"I'm not demanding anything," Bryant told the Riverside Press-Enterprise just after he had spent the weekend demanding everything.

"I'm not trying to throw Mitch under the bus, or (Lakers VP) Jim (Buss) under the bus," he told the Orange County Register just after he just spent the weekend doing just that.

For now, Kupchak loses leverage with his peers while trying to work trades this summer. This isn't the first time Bryant has created this kind of chaos for the franchise. As one NBA executive said Monday: "That made it harder for Mitch to get fair market value for Shaq. Everybody knew that Kobe's conditions to re-sign made it impossible for Shaq to stay, and Mitch had to take the Miami offer, which was the best on the table. Kobe needs to look in the mirror on that one."

Here's something else, too. Kobe thinks everyone in the NBA wants to play with him, and it isn't true. He was complaining that the Lakers could've had his buddy, Carlos Boozer, a year ago, but the Jazz were never going to trade him for Lamar Odom. Yes, there are players who'll take a trade to the Lakers, but make no mistake: It isn’t because they're enamored with the idea of hanging with Kobe.

It isn't just that Kobe doesn't have friends in his own locker room, but elsewhere too. One associate remembers a party for Bryant's daughter several years ago, when he looked around and saw no one but people who worked for Kobe. "No friends, no teammates – just agents, a barber, P.R. people … Everyone there was on the payroll."

Maybe Kupchak hasn't done the best job in the world in these three years post-Shaq (the Caron Butler-Kwame Brown trade crushed the Lakers), but he made sure that private jet flew Kobe back and forth to his rape hearings in Colorado. He made sure the organization supported him unconditionally during that humiliating time for the franchise. His reward? Kobe opted out of his contract, threatened to leave for the Clippers and declared that he wanted a basketball career free of Shaq to indulge his own shooting and scoring desires.

"Now, Kobe would go to the public with his stuff on Shaq, and he would never win," the ex-associate said. "He'd instigate, like he did with Kupchak, and he always comes out looking the same way."

Of course, that's selfish and short-sighted. Bryant wanted to show the world who runs the Lakers again, and that's wonderful and all, except that he's made it harder for the Lakers to get better this summer. Three years ago, he chased out Shaq and Phil Jackson and was granted his wish for a franchise that was all about indulging him.

So sure, West drafted Bryant into the NBA, delivered him O'Neal at center and constructed a three-time champion. What's more, the game's greatest G.M. wisely got out of Los Angeles before Kobe crushed him under his thumb, before West could be a target for Bryant.

He's a smart man to stay away for good because he understands the inevitable here: Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone.

 
"But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in 'reality'. And reality has a well-known liberal bias."

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2007, 12:54:37 PM »
"I'm not demanding anything," Bryant told the Riverside Press-Enterprise on Sunday night. "I'm not making any threats. I didn't say that. Those words didn't come out of my mouth about a trade. I'm just making a suggestion. I think Jerry West is one of the greatest to ever do this thing. It's undeniably so."

Ala George Wapner of the Peoples Court.....

Thank you, I'll be back and give you my decision. 

IMO this is just some red herring to jump on the Kobe bashing bandwagon.  Unless the writer of the article comes out with a rebuttal and/or quote I'll just file this in my "hater" round cylinder file cabinet.

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2007, 12:59:51 PM »
All Kobe did was say he wanted Jerry West back with the Lakers.  That's not throwing Kupchak or Buss under the Bus.  It's simply underlining what every Laker fan knows- the team isn't getting anywhere quickly, and has blown opportunities to get Kobe the help he needs.

Kobe wants to win another championship.  He would like to do it with the Lakers.  He knows he can't do it by himself, and the team around him is marginal at best.

He doesn't want to end his career never reaching for another ring.  He would leave the Lakers if he thought that would happen.

Could Minnesota entice Kobe to come and play with KG?  It's not like Kobe is Mr. Endorsements these days anyway!

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2007, 01:00:45 PM »
"I'm not demanding anything," Bryant told the Riverside Press-Enterprise on Sunday night. "I'm not making any threats. I didn't say that. Those words didn't come out of my mouth about a trade. I'm just making a suggestion. I think Jerry West is one of the greatest to ever do this thing. It's undeniably so."

Ala George Wapner of the Peoples Court.....

Thank you, I'll be back and give you my decision. 

IMO this is just some red herring to jump on the Kobe bashing bandwagon.  Unless the writer of the article comes out with a rebuttal and/or quote I'll just file this in my "hater" round cylinder file cabinet.



Yup I agree and this Adrian article looks to be the same.  He took a three line reply from Jerry West and went off bashing Kobe because you can tell he doesn't like him.  Not sure how he got all that from three lines but that was about 90% Adrian's bias for Kobe and about 5% selective reading and 5% Jerry West.

I am pretty tired of the jumping to conclusions and dying for a sensationalized story from sports writers.  They've turned into their regular news media counterparts who salivate for anything drama filled but rarely has that much substance.  They are dying for rumors and soap opera-esque story lines  instead of writing pieces about guys like Deron Williams. 

So Skander you are becoming a journalist to write pieces on guys like Manu and Deron?  Surely it isn't as  :o as Kobe maybe, sorta, but not really but it's possiblity wanting to be trade if they don't get Jerry or Jerry West hating Kobe or Michael Vick fights dogs....but damn it would be really nice for guys to get heavy press for their play.
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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2007, 01:07:45 PM »
West's quote sounds like he'd be open to coming back to the Lakers.  Face it, he's not a young guy anymore and probably doesn't want to be the Lakers GM.  But I'd bet he'd love to have an office there and be a consultant to the team. The guy says he's a lifelong Laker so you know it's something he'd have to consider.

 

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2007, 02:44:21 PM »
West's quote sounds like he'd be open to coming back to the Lakers.  Face it, he's not a young guy anymore and probably doesn't want to be the Lakers GM.  But I'd bet he'd love to have an office there and be a consultant to the team. The guy says he's a lifelong Laker so you know it's something he'd have to consider.

 

Agreed, because of West's die hard loyalty, I could never see him taking Mitch's job.  West would rather fade into the sunset than take the job of one of his friends.  West is also part of the old school that doesn't seem to translate well into having to deal with the drama of modern players.  It's hard to build a team like Utah, San An or Detroit that is devoid, for the most part, of drama players.  Drama players just get shipped out rather than compromise the ideals of the franchise, that's a hard stance to take in the modern game with all the non-basketball factors involved in keeping your job.
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"Not his story"

"My people's culture was strong, it was pure"
"And if not for that white greed"
"It would've endured"

"Laker hate causes blindness"

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2007, 03:53:32 PM »
Kobe will address Laker Nation on msc and all So Cals favorite sports radio station, Extra 570/1170AM today or Wednesday.  Per Steve Hartman.

Please continue to be of assistance to any distraught Laker Fans. 
Thank you.

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2007, 04:28:14 PM »
Kobe will address Laker Nation on msc and all So Cals favorite sports radio station, Extra 570/1170AM today or Wednesday.  Per Steve Hartman.

Please continue to be of assistance to any distraught Laker Fans. 
Thank you.

Unless Kobe comes out and says "yea, I said that", there will be nothing new to add to the drama.  I would like to hear the guy who reported back up his statements.  Sounds like he won't cause it's inferred b.s.  Let's get them both on Oprah so we can begin the "healing". 
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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2007, 04:34:21 PM »
I agree Bucher needs to respond.  Otherwise he is allowing Kobe to flat call him a liar.  Publically.

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Re: kobe wants jerry west or.....else
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2007, 05:02:21 PM »
I think there are subtle threats being issued by Kobe behind the scenes;  I also think that Kobe didn't mean those threats to get out from behind the scenes, and is now trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

As for West?  Of course he's going back to the Lakers - but on his own terms.  Those terms will include not having to put up with $#!+ from Phil, Kobe, or Buss.  He'll be in his office, interacting with only who he chooses to interact with, and if the two of the three aforementioned folks come looking for him, he won't be available, and if the third one comes looking for him, it had better be with a paycheck or a pink slip.

West is a competitor, and Memphis decided that they were done competing.  Going back to the Lakers for the purpose of re-cementing his name as the franchise's hero is too much to resist for West.  And if he delivers, Kobe, Shaq, Abdul-Jabbar, and Magic will be sidenotes to the true Mr. Laker.

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