Stats site for +/- lineups

[Reality]

zig dabods or anyone,

5 man lineups and their resulting +/- scores when together in game.

For both season and individual games.

For that matter is there a site that breaks it down to 2 man tandems?
Example what are Bynum and Kobe on the year.
What is Duncan Finley compared to Duncan Olson?

I see some stuff on 82games.com but not the total breakdowns.
Unless i am using incorrectly.

[westkoast]

82games.com

Player   Min   Own   Opp   Net   On   Off   Net   Rating
 Bryant   71%   24.3   13.3   +11.0   +3.9   +3.6   +0.2   +7.9
 Bynum   42%   18.2   15.4   +2.8   -0.6   +7.0   -7.6   -0.2

1     Parker-Bryant-Walton-Odom-Bynum   211    445    438    +7     7     6     53.8
2     Parker-Bryant-Walton-Odom-Brown   100    221    211    +10     5     2     71.4
3     Parker-Evans-Walton-Odom-Bynum   24    66    44    +22     4     0     100
4     Parker-Bryant-Walton-Odom-Turiaf   21    52    38    +14     2     1     66.6
5     Parker-Bryant-Walton-Odom-Cook   20    54    47    +7     4     2     66.6
6     Farmar-Evans-Radmanovic-Odom-Turiaf   19    36    36    +0     2     3     40.0
7     Farmar-Evans-Radmanovic-Odom-Brown   15    22    23    -1     2     3     40.0
8     Farmar-Williams-Radmanovic-Turiaf-Cook   14    29    22    +7     1     0     100
9     Parker-Evans-Walton-Odom-Turiaf   11    38    32    +6     2     1     66.6
10     Farmar-Evans-Bryant-Radmanovic-Brown   10    20    16    +4     3     1     75.0

They have a break down for every team

[Reality]

Top Five-Man Floor Units
10   Parker-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Elson  Won 2  Lost 7   

The Spurs have lost 5 games all year.
It lists the record of the above combo as 7 losses.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS2.HTM
 

[ziggy]

Top Five-Man Floor Units
10   Parker-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Elson  Won 2  Lost 7   

The Spurs have lost 5 games all year.
It lists the record of the above combo as 7 losses.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS2.HTM
 

Here is what the numbers mean

Legend:

Min = the total minutes the unit was on the floor.

Off = the unit's points scored.

Def = the unit's points allowed.

+/- = the team net points for the unit.

W = number of games a unit outscored its opponents while on the court.

L = number of games a unit was outscored by its opponents while on the court.
Win% = the winning percentage for the unit based on Wins versus Losses.

eFG = the effective shooting percentage, adjusted for the value of 3-point shots.
eFGA = the effective shooting percentage allowed to opponents.
FTA = net free throw attempts.
Close = the percentage of shots taken from close range.
dClose = the percentage of opponents' shots taken from close range.
Reb = the rebound percentage for the unit, based on chances.
T/O = the net turnover percentage for the unit based on opponent turnovers minus unit turnovers.


So that 5 man group (Parker-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Elson) has been outscored 7 games, and outscored it's opponents 2 times.  This isn't measuring times where the score was even while they were on the floor.  They have been outscored by 18 points in 22 minutes together. 

The group of
Parker-Barry-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan has outscored their opponents by 26 points in 42 minutes, and have outscored the opponents 6 times and been outscored 4 times.  To get the gap, the times they have been outscored it has been very close, and the times they have scored more they had a much bigger margin.

[Randy]

1   Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 149  308  297  +11   7   5   58.3
2   Parker-Finley-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan     72  140  140    +0   3   4   42.8
3   Parker-Barry-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan      42    91    65  +26   6   4   60.0

[westkoast]

Top Five-Man Floor Units
10   Parker-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Elson  Won 2  Lost 7   

The Spurs have lost 5 games all year.
It lists the record of the above combo as 7 losses.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS2.HTM
 

Wow...*shakes head*

How does your mega lineup stack up against the rest of the lineups

PG - Udrih
SG - Brent Barry
SF - Manu
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Elson

[Randy]

Bryant  69% 24.9 13.2 +11.7   +5.6 +1.7   +3.9  +9.4
Turiaf   18% 22.7 11.5 +11.2   +1.3  +5.1   -3.8  +6.9
Brown  31% 16.8 14.9 +  1.8 +15.9  -0.7 +16.6  +6.0
Farmar 33% 13.4   7.8 +  5.7   +5.1  +4.1  +1.0  +4.3
Odom   82% 19.7 16.8 +  2.9   +5.6  -1.0   +6.6  +4.0
Walton 67% 17.0 12.3 +  4.7   +3.7  +5.8   -2.1  +2.7

Check out the impact that Turiaf has in games!  Interesting, huh?

[ziggy]

Bryant  69% 24.9 13.2 +11.7   +5.6 +1.7   +3.9  +9.4
Turiaf   18% 22.7 11.5 +11.2   +1.3  +5.1   -3.8  +6.9
Brown  31% 16.8 14.9 +  1.8 +15.9  -0.7 +16.6  +6.0
Farmar 33% 13.4   7.8 +  5.7   +5.1  +4.1  +1.0  +4.3
Odom   82% 19.7 16.8 +  2.9   +5.6  -1.0   +6.6  +4.0
Walton 67% 17.0 12.3 +  4.7   +3.7  +5.8   -2.1  +2.7

Check out the impact that Turiaf has in games!  Interesting, huh?

Randy,
That is a little misleading.  If you look at Turiaf only these are his numbers

On Court / Off Court stats
Minutes 149  666  18%
Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 111.9 109.4 +2.5
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 110.2 104.4 +5.8
Net Points per 100 Possessions +1.7 +5.0 -3.3

When he is on the court the Lakers outscore their opponents 111.9 to 110.2.  When he is off the court they outscore thier opponents 109.4 to 104.4.  So net they are 3.3 points worse when he is on the floor than went not.

[westkoast]

Bryant  69% 24.9 13.2 +11.7   +5.6 +1.7   +3.9  +9.4
Turiaf   18% 22.7 11.5 +11.2   +1.3  +5.1   -3.8  +6.9
Brown  31% 16.8 14.9 +  1.8 +15.9  -0.7 +16.6  +6.0
Farmar 33% 13.4   7.8 +  5.7   +5.1  +4.1  +1.0  +4.3
Odom   82% 19.7 16.8 +  2.9   +5.6  -1.0   +6.6  +4.0
Walton 67% 17.0 12.3 +  4.7   +3.7  +5.8   -2.1  +2.7

Check out the impact that Turiaf has in games!  Interesting, huh?

Randy,
That is a little misleading.  If you look at Turiaf only these are his numbers

On Court / Off Court stats
Minutes 149  666  18%
Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 111.9 109.4 +2.5
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 110.2 104.4 +5.8
Net Points per 100 Possessions +1.7 +5.0 -3.3

When he is on the court the Lakers outscore their opponents 111.9 to 110.2.  When he is off the court they outscore thier opponents 109.4 to 104.4.  So net they are 3.3 points worse when he is on the floor than went not.

That is very misleading because he plays so few minutes.  He usually comes in when the Lakers are up and teams are making a run at the second unit (like last night)

Like I was saying earlier though, his impact will not ever fully be shown in numbers.  His enthusiasm, his energy, and his love for all his teammates does leap and bounds for this team.  He is a funny guy who loves life and there is no stat that will show how much a person like that rubs off on you when you are around them often.  I think all of us have that one person who has such a great personality that they rub off on us.

[ziggy]

Bryant  69% 24.9 13.2 +11.7   +5.6 +1.7   +3.9  +9.4
Turiaf   18% 22.7 11.5 +11.2   +1.3  +5.1   -3.8  +6.9
Brown  31% 16.8 14.9 +  1.8 +15.9  -0.7 +16.6  +6.0
Farmar 33% 13.4   7.8 +  5.7   +5.1  +4.1  +1.0  +4.3
Odom   82% 19.7 16.8 +  2.9   +5.6  -1.0   +6.6  +4.0
Walton 67% 17.0 12.3 +  4.7   +3.7  +5.8   -2.1  +2.7

Check out the impact that Turiaf has in games!  Interesting, huh?

Randy,
That is a little misleading.  If you look at Turiaf only these are his numbers

On Court / Off Court stats
Minutes 149  666  18%
Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 111.9 109.4 +2.5
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 110.2 104.4 +5.8
Net Points per 100 Possessions +1.7 +5.0 -3.3

When he is on the court the Lakers outscore their opponents 111.9 to 110.2.  When he is off the court they outscore thier opponents 109.4 to 104.4.  So net they are 3.3 points worse when he is on the floor than went not.

That is very misleading because he plays so few minutes.  He usually comes in when the Lakers are up and teams are making a run at the second unit (like last night)

Like I was saying earlier though, his impact will not ever fully be shown in numbers.  His enthusiasm, his energy, and his love for all his teammates does leap and bounds for this team.  He is a funny guy who loves life and there is no stat that will show how much a person like that rubs off on you when you are around them often.  I think all of us have that one person who has such a great personality that they rub off on us.

Westkoast,
I am not making any comment about Turiaf.  I have seen him play maybe 5 minutes all season, so my knowledge of him is basically zero.  You have to be careful will all these numbers this early in the season, only because the minutes are very low, and it is hard to make any reasonable judgements based only upon 20 or 16, or 11 minutes samples.  One bad game or one good game can distort the numbers somewhat.

The biggest advantage to all these is to attempt to find lineups that have success together, and make sure you use that to your advantage.  For example even though Maurice Evans has some good +/- numbers, doesn't mean he should take minutes away from Kobe if Kobe's are +/- numbers are lower.  What you want to do though is identify 5 man groups where Evans has success, and make sure he gets his minutes in situations where he has the best success.  Using that logic, it is important to play Evans with Odom, Walton and Smush.  Don't play him with Radmanovic and Vujacic, because he has much less success with them on the floor.  It really makes no difference who the post is.

Same with Turiaf.  He will get limited minutes, so find the rotations where he has the greatest success, and get him his minutes then.