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« on: December 21, 2005, 12:05:28 PM »
Cant believe our baseball fans didnt post this yet!!!

Damon to the Yanks for 4 years at 52 Mill to cover a spot in the field that the Yanks have had the greatest players ever in the history of the game to cover.  Not to compare Damon to the two greats but nice pick up IMO.  Whats everyones thoughts?

Also, in much smaller news.....after grabbing Nomar the Lakers have agreed with a 1 year deal for Kenny Lofton.
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2005, 09:31:18 PM »
Damon is a sell out.

I dont think Normar will get Kobe to pass it to him either.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2005, 11:00:23 PM »
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Cant believe our baseball fans didnt post this yet!!!

Damon to the Yanks for 4 years at 52 Mill to cover a spot in the field that the Yanks have had the greatest players ever in the history of the game to cover.  Not to compare Damon to the two greats but nice pick up IMO.  Whats everyones thoughts?

Also, in much smaller news.....after grabbing Nomar the Lakers have agreed with a 1 year deal for Kenny Lofton.
Jeez westkoast ... much of a Lakers fan, are you?   I thought this was a baseball-related post!  :)

Damon coaxing four years out of the Yanks is unspectacular.  Damon is a good leadoff man, but Jeter (and believe me when I say I'm no Jeter fan.  I like him about as much as the anti-Laker types like Kobe) is a BETTER leadoff man than Damon.  This is all about the Yankee mentality of having an All-Star caliber player at every position.  Bubba Crosby would have been a servicable center fielder for New York, but the closest he'll get to the Mid-Summer Classic is if he serves hot dogs in the stands.  So what do they do?  They go out and throw 4 years and 52 million at the best available CF.  Not surprising in the least bit.

This will, however, continue to push their payroll towards the stratosphere.  They're already paying the Luxury Tax, and one has to wonder how much is too much?  I know some will say they will spend until their hearts content, but money, even to the Yankees, doesn't grow on trees.  There WILL BE a limit to their spending.  I would argue that we've already seen them back off to an extent.  Remember last year?  They could've gone out and signed Beltran to a dynamo contract when he was being touted as the best player on the free agent market.  But they didn't.  I think this shows that even George Steinbrenner has his limits.  Are they rediculously high?  Absolutely.  But when you are the most successful franchise in the history of organized, professional sports, you have opportunities others do not.  Your own cable television network, memoribilia sales and increased revenue sharing all lead to piles and piles of money that can be used on players.  And remember something folks.  Steinbrenner doesn't have to spend the money.  He could POCKET it if that's what he wanted.  But the man is as competitive as any owner out there and won't settle for anything less than a championship.  He's a little crazy and there's no doubt senility is settling in, but you have to respect the man's gung-ho attitude.  Reports are that the Yankees LOST money last year, and if that really is true, the Big Stein is taking a hit in an attempt to add that 27th banner.  I respect him for that.  He's taking advantage of the huge resources at his desposal in an attempt to give the fans what they want and demand.  And there's nothing in the rules that says he can't do that.  People can bitch and moan about the Yankees all they want (and I do plenty of that, believe me), but when it comes down to it, they don't break the rules and they are in the hunt for the title every year.  What else can you ask for as a fan?
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2005, 11:07:12 PM »
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I dont think Normar will get Kobe to pass it to him either.
Haha.

I don't think Nomar has enough in the tank to play everyday.  He's going to get hurt, plain and simple.  We don't know where and we don't know when, but it will happen.  And even if our Lord blesses him with the strength to stay on the field for 140+ games, I don't think he's capable of posting All-Star quality numbers.  His power is almost gone, and while a move to first base might help him stay healthy (as opposed to the outfield, which would be disastrous), what will they do when Izturis comes back?  If he's at second and Kent moves to first, where does that leave Garciaparra?
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2005, 12:19:20 AM »
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I dont think Normar will get Kobe to pass it to him either.
Haha.

I don't think Nomar has enough in the tank to play everyday.  He's going to get hurt, plain and simple.  We don't know where and we don't know when, but it will happen.  And even if our Lord blesses him with the strength to stay on the field for 140+ games, I don't think he's capable of posting All-Star quality numbers.  His power is almost gone, and while a move to first base might help him stay healthy (as opposed to the outfield, which would be disastrous), what will they do when Izturis comes back?  If he's at second and Kent moves to first, where does that leave Garciaparra?
j.d drew all over again?

It's incredible what a franchise the Dodgers have become.  In a super long season with by far more home games then any other sport, you would think they could attract plenty of FAs.  Used to, not now.

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2005, 01:25:31 PM »
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I dont think Normar will get Kobe to pass it to him either.
Haha.

I don't think Nomar has enough in the tank to play everyday.  He's going to get hurt, plain and simple.  We don't know where and we don't know when, but it will happen.  And even if our Lord blesses him with the strength to stay on the field for 140+ games, I don't think he's capable of posting All-Star quality numbers.  His power is almost gone, and while a move to first base might help him stay healthy (as opposed to the outfield, which would be disastrous), what will they do when Izturis comes back?  If he's at second and Kent moves to first, where does that leave Garciaparra?
LMAO @ The Laker comment.  Ive been a dodger fan as long as a Laker fan and I cant believe I mixed them up.  Then again Im in basketball mode when I am at this site and not really baseball mode.

Right now Kent is going to stay at 2nd and I dont see that changing even if Iz comes back because they will not move Nomar off first base.  That would void the reason they made the deal with Nomar in the first place.  They want him to hit the ball, something the Dodgers did not do very well last year.

I am a little confused about the Lofton deal.  Ive been a huge fan of his since back in the day but his legs cannot still be good enough to cover center field, especially since our bullpen is a big ?? right now.  Not sure exactly how good or bad they will be.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2005, 08:30:51 PM »
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Cant believe our baseball fans didnt post this yet!!!

Damon to the Yanks for 4 years at 52 Mill to cover a spot in the field that the Yanks have had the greatest players ever in the history of the game to cover.  Not to compare Damon to the two greats but nice pick up IMO.  Whats everyones thoughts?

Also, in much smaller news.....after grabbing Nomar the Lakers have agreed with a 1 year deal for Kenny Lofton.
Damon is a good player, and I think he fits what the Yankees need, but @$13 million per year, the Yankees WAY OVERPAID.  Johnny Damon is a $8 mill per player maximum.

From a Red Sox perspective I LOVE THIS BIG TIME.  Why?  Because my boy Jacoby Ellsbury is now clearly on the dpeth chart, and maybe within 2 years he is in the bigs.  If they had resigned Damon to a 4 year deal it would not have been good news for Jacoby.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2005, 11:37:33 AM »
Did any of you guys see the piece that ESPN did the night the deal was announced?  They had the nerve to mention Damon in the same breath as Dimaggio and Mantle.  "Damon is joining the ranks of some of the greatest center fielders of all time in pinstripes"

Even worse they totally down played what Bernie Williams did for the Yanks in the outfield for all those years.  It was like DIMAGGIO, MANTLE, (that one guy who played for us for 15 years, uhhh bern...uhh bernard..wait bernie williams I think it was) OH YEA AND DAMON WOOOOOOOOOOO.  Bernie held down that spot for the Yanks forever and was a piece in the championship run they had in the 90s.  Pathetic job on ESPNs part trying to hype this deal.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2005, 12:36:49 PM »
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Did any of you guys see the piece that ESPN did the night the deal was announced?  They had the nerve to mention Damon in the same breath as Dimaggio and Mantle.  "Damon is joining the ranks of some of the greatest center fielders of all time in pinstripes"

Even worse they totally down played what Bernie Williams did for the Yanks in the outfield for all those years.  It was like DIMAGGIO, MANTLE, (that one guy who played for us for 15 years, uhhh bern...uhh bernard..wait bernie williams I think it was) OH YEA AND DAMON WOOOOOOOOOOO.  Bernie held down that spot for the Yanks forever and was a piece in the championship run they had in the 90s.  Pathetic job on ESPNs part trying to hype this deal.
Bernie Williams in his prime was a far far far better player than Johnny Damon.  Bernie is a better defender with a better arm, has more power, and was a tremendous clutch player.  Of course over the last couple of years Bernie Williams has been marginal major league talent, and right now Damon is a major upgrade over that.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2005, 02:56:17 PM »
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Did any of you guys see the piece that ESPN did the night the deal was announced?  They had the nerve to mention Damon in the same breath as Dimaggio and Mantle.  "Damon is joining the ranks of some of the greatest center fielders of all time in pinstripes"

Even worse they totally down played what Bernie Williams did for the Yanks in the outfield for all those years.  It was like DIMAGGIO, MANTLE, (that one guy who played for us for 15 years, uhhh bern...uhh bernard..wait bernie williams I think it was) OH YEA AND DAMON WOOOOOOOOOOO.  Bernie held down that spot for the Yanks forever and was a piece in the championship run they had in the 90s.  Pathetic job on ESPNs part trying to hype this deal.
Bernie Williams in his prime was a far far far better player than Johnny Damon.  Bernie is a better defender with a better arm, has more power, and was a tremendous clutch player.  Of course over the last couple of years Bernie Williams has been marginal major league talent, and right now Damon is a major upgrade over that.
I agree at this point, yes, Damon is an improvement.  Bernie is at the very end of his career.  You cannot expect him to be what he was 5-10 years ago.  He beat his body up for this organization.   I just thought it was a bad move on ESPNs part to act like Damon is going to go down like Dimaggio and Mantle.....then totally down played Bernie's contribution to the franchise.  IMO they should have mentioned Damon next to Bernie as oppose to overlooking Bernie and giving Damon the company of two of the greatest players ever.

They are severly overpaying him.  Almost like that extra 3-4 million he is getting is strickly based on keeping him away from the redsox.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2005, 04:04:10 PM »
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Damon is a good player, and I think he fits what the Yankees need, but @$13 million per year, the Yankees WAY OVERPAID.  Johnny Damon is a $8 mill per player maximum.

From a Red Sox perspective I LOVE THIS BIG TIME.  Why?  Because my boy Jacoby Ellsbury is now clearly on the dpeth chart, and maybe within 2 years he is in the bigs.  If they had resigned Damon to a 4 year deal it would not have been good news for Jacoby.
Overpaid is all relative.  Yankees have endless supply of cashe.  Local Tri State TV deal is worth over 500 million per year.  So even if overpaying Damon is motivated more by getting him from the Red Sox then replacing Bernie Williams, either way the Yankees *win*.

Until they face the Angels that is. ^_^

Anyway Ellsbury can zoom thru one fully year of minors and make the 2007 roster?
What is he doing so far?

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2005, 04:48:20 PM »
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Damon is a good player, and I think he fits what the Yankees need, but @$13 million per year, the Yankees WAY OVERPAID.  Johnny Damon is a $8 mill per player maximum.

From a Red Sox perspective I LOVE THIS BIG TIME.  Why?  Because my boy Jacoby Ellsbury is now clearly on the dpeth chart, and maybe within 2 years he is in the bigs.  If they had resigned Damon to a 4 year deal it would not have been good news for Jacoby.
Overpaid is all relative.  Yankees have endless supply of cashe.  Local Tri State TV deal is worth over 500 million per year.  So even if overpaying Damon is motivated more by getting him from the Red Sox then replacing Bernie Williams, either way the Yankees *win*.

Until they face the Angels that is. ^_^

Anyway Ellsbury can zoom thru one fully year of minors and make the 2007 roster?
What is he doing so far?
I think he will need 2 years at least in the minors, and that is what the BoSox are looking at.  I will see him in a tomorrow night, but from what I have read they are hoping to have him start next year in Class A long season, move up to AA later in the year, and then play AAA next season, with 2008 being his rookie year.

He played in Class A short season last year with Lowell, and then also spent 3 weeks at the Florida Instructional League.  He had a very nice year in Lowell, and did very well in Florida.

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He played less than 1/2 the games, lead the team in steals by a huge margin, hit .317, and had teh highest rate of runs scored, and also a fairly high rate of RBI.

The Sox are still very high on him, and I think that is part of why Damon is gone.  they are looking for a short term answer (Joey Gathraight), with Jacoby being the guy after 2 or so years.  I actually think Gathraight is a better buy than Damon anyway.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2005, 02:34:25 PM »
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Damon is a good player, and I think he fits what the Yankees need, but @$13 million per year, the Yankees WAY OVERPAID.  Johnny Damon is a $8 mill per player maximum.

From a Red Sox perspective I LOVE THIS BIG TIME.  Why?  Because my boy Jacoby Ellsbury is now clearly on the dpeth chart, and maybe within 2 years he is in the bigs.  If they had resigned Damon to a 4 year deal it would not have been good news for Jacoby.
Overpaid is all relative.  Yankees have endless supply of cashe.  Local Tri State TV deal is worth over 500 million per year.  So even if overpaying Damon is motivated more by getting him from the Red Sox then replacing Bernie Williams, either way the Yankees *win*.

Until they face the Angels that is. ^_^

Anyway Ellsbury can zoom thru one fully year of minors and make the 2007 roster?
What is he doing so far?
The Angels usually do a great job of whooping pinstripe ass as of late.  After last year it seemed like they are starting to lose some of their steam though.  Regardless though, Sco is a great skipper and as long as he is running the show in Anaheim I expect them to compete.

The tri-state deal is 500 million? Are you frickin serious?  How could Steinbreiner possibly have lost cash on the team last year then?