Malik says goodbye

[SPURSX3]

ok first you looked at the 48 minutes stat to base your whole arguement on, which is IF he could play 48 minutes - what is the best guess as to his his performance - that was your first assenine error.  secondly, you CAN go to look at the stats yourself and see that the stats DON'T match.  what am I being accountable for again??

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Okay as far as your wanting me to tell you what you were saying, I'm going to have to charge $150 an hour for that.

However, for free if you want to look at a couple of your quotes, here they are:

"If Reality WAS a real Spurs fan he would know that when Tim has been out of a game the one Spurs to really step up and cover his points has been - amazingly enough - RASHO! I believe stepped up last year while Tim was out for about four game, and I believe he averaged 20+ points per game

When I then posted the correct stats, your retort was:

If you are basing your stats for Rasho on ESPN game log for las season I can tell you that the logs, as far as opponents and dates, dont match for Tim and Rasho. not sure what the problem is, but the stats are wrong on one of them.

Go for it.  Be accountable.

The stats.  ok. ARE you basing your information on ESPN's stats?  if so you may want to compare numbers.  simple enough?  I also checked NBA.com to see if there was a comparison there, the only thing I saw there was the current years game by game stats.  Since I dont have time to go hunting through every NBA website to see if there is a record of last years game by game stats per player I can only go with what I remember - because it was something that caught my attention - rasho stepped it up while tim was injured.  can I use the stats from ESPN?  no, because they are incorrect, you can compare dates to see that on a day when Tim played detroit - rasho on the other hand played Orlando - or some other team.  you can take the time to go look back at that.  obviously the spurs did not pull a double header, so my assumption is that ESPN is wrong as far as the stats go.  Do I need to be accountable for ESPN not having the right information on their board? umm, I would say no.  But since I cant go looking around web page to web page looking for the comparison of when Tim was out I cant really say much about that.  Except for the fact that you have already shown you CAN'T tell which is the right way to well how a player is performing during the course of a year, because the "per 48 minute" stat is NOT an accurate stat.  Say I am of on the stats about Rasho, say for instance I find the right game by game comparison and for some odd reason you are right, would I change my mind about Maliks usefulness compared to Rasho, Nazr, or Horry?  no.  Because the trade was done for the betterment of the team.  I dont think you would get that.  If someone like BBF were to come on and say I was dead wrong about the stats about Rasho stepping it up while Tim was out, I could accept that.  big deal.  I dont think anyone would still argue that Rasho is more iomportant to this team and our success than Malik was.  Nor would they argue that Horry does perform as well if not better than Malik and is more of an asset to our team with his short contract - same goes for Nazr.  So, its nice you know how to highlight and bold Reality, but your still wrong.  

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[SPURSX3]

Reality, I always like Malik -- he played Shaq about as well as a smaller player could play him (Cliff Robinson still wins in that department) but while he's a solid role player and a nice guy, he isn't everything you claim.  IF he was as good as you claim, he would be doing MUCH better on a really bad Knicks team and get some playing time -- but sadly, that isn't the case -- he is struggling to get playing time from the likes of Sweeney and Maurice Taylor.

Go look up how well he is doing in NY!  I mean this is NY -- the only decent guy the Knicks have in the post is Kurt Thomas and he's only decent -- but Malik can't beat those other guys out of playing time.  Malik is a solid rebounder, a decent 18' shot and a good one-on-one post defender!  Those guys are a dime a dozen in the NBA!  Malik's a great guy and I liked his play because of his energy and hustle -- however, you have him rated WAY too high!

Perhaps after a couple of more years coming off the bench, you will begin to see true reality -- but I doubt it!

Oh but i never said the trade would not work, just questioned whether one who showed great heart and soul should have been the one to go.   That led to X3s dogmatic stance that Malik should go, not Horry.  Westkoast agreed with me before climing into bed with you two.

I think Maliks performance in NY is perhaps he is really a closet Laker.  Being so disappointed that he could not join the Purple n Gold he is too despondant to play like the good old days when the Spurs really did kick ass.

Oh yes now I remember, all the heart shown in the 48 minutes per game "I wish" stat.  Yes, if only we could all have players full of heart and no consistency the Spurs could perhaps be along the same lines of the Warriors.  always something to strive for.  lets scrap everyone and get all the "heart" players - including Malik - and see how far our team would go.  Should Malik have gone for the betterment of our team, instead of Horry?  well yes, because Horry can do the same work, earns more minutes on the floor, and saves us moeny when his contract is done.  Instead of Rasho?  Well, Yes, because Although he is slow, he is also 7 feet, and can score at times as well as post easier than Malik and takes a big burden of of Tim in the middle.  Is Nazr worth more to us?  in the long run, YES, because he ALSO has a short contract and allows us to not only sign Scola, Brown, and Parker, but gives us flexibility to go possibly go for another player in the summer as well.  Who knows if Nazr works out, we may re-sign him cheap.  Is Nazr more useful to our team in general, again -  I believe he is.  He can dish out and take fouls, and possibly score more than Rasho as well as run with us when we need him to.  ALL of this was posted prior to all of this.

[Guest_Randy]

I think Maliks performance in NY is perhaps he is really a closet Laker. Being so disappointed that he could not join the Purple n Gold he is too despondant to play like the good old days when the Spurs really did kick ass.

This is soooo ridiculous -- even from you!  When you find something that doesn't back up your case (which was incredibly weak to begin with) you choose to try and make some slam against the Lakers because you know that Malik is proving he isn't everything you are saying he is.

Here are a couple more facts for you to ignore:

1)  Robert Horry has rings with TWO teams (Lakers and Rockets) -- of which he was a SIGNIFICANT part of the team (playing key roles either starting or off the bench).  He IS playing a solid role with the Spurs -- who are the favorites for the title this year.

2) Malik has been a solid role player for the Spurs in the past -- that was not the case in the playoffs last year (care to dispute that?) and he hasn't been a solid role player this year.

3) Malik is making a LOT of money for a player that is sitting the bench -- role playing too-small PF's are a dime a dozen (but Malik is being paid $100 for being a dime) -- he is now playing for a team that has THREE of the same type of role playing PF's.  Sweeney is a better offensive/lesser defensive than Malik, Taylor is a much better offensive player but a horrible defensive player, Malik is a very good one-on-one post defensive player with the ability to knock down an 18 foot shot.  Sweeney and Malik are about equal in rebounding -- Taylor isn't a very good rebounder.  

I wish I had a crayon, I would draw you a picture so you could understand.  But I'll type VERY slowly, so hopefully this will sink in:  IF you have a player who is playing on a one-year contract and is making $2 and another player who is making $6+ and has several years left but ISN'T living up to his contract, it's better to take a chance on a center (true centers AREN'T a dime-a-dozen in this league) -- esp. when you just need a solid role player off the bench.  That's money that comes VERY valuable when you are trying to keep TD, Parker and Manu long term -- and I assume the Spurs are also counting on the ability to land Scola in the off-season (making both Horry and Malik expendable).  

If Nazr pays off as a quality center (face it, TD is soo good that he makes his teammates look better than they are -- see Malik for example) -- the Spurs made a great swap -- if not, he's a big man, he's tradeable down the road.  Why are players like Calvin Booth still in the league?  Because he's a good player?  Why did Greg Ostertag get a contract for $6+ a year for blocking a couple of shots a game (and playing less than 10 minutes a game)?  True big men are overinflated in this league -- and this trade DOESN'T hurt the Spurs.  If Nazr makes it (and yes, it's a risk) they will have risked NOTHING -- because they gave up a player who wasn't playing -- who WASN'T doing anything!  Nazr was doing more in NY than Malik did this year -- and more than Malik is currently doing in NY.  

The more you talk, the more obvious that you don't know what you are talking about!

[Reality]

 

You seriously need to consider growing a pair.

Now that you can't back up your weak arsed "Rasha 20 pts per game while Tim was out" made up stats, you change the subject.  Repeatedly.

Your babble about different websites, otherwise known as The Confusion Attempt, is just not even worth reading.

Randolph,

I'm glad to see after numerous posts that you have come to the same conclusion i originally had.  That being that Nazr might end up being a help.  

About Horrys rings with Hou and ring with LA, thank you for also supporting my original thoughts, that perhaps the gas is running out of Horrys tank.  Perhaps not, but perhaps.  That he WAS a solid playoff contributor only supports why the last two years show he may no longer be.  This year should show.  

 

[Guest_Randy]

Again, you pull a "reality" and IGNORE anything that you can't twist into supporting your "facts."

PLEASE show me where Malik was ANYTHING other than a solid playoff contributor for the Spurs!  Anything?  Ever?  You won't be able to do it -- Malik played some decent minutes for the Spurs in the past but he hasn't EVER been anything other than a solid support player -- it's the reason why he will struggle to make it as a starter even for a team like NY.  

I've always like Malik -- because I like players who hustle and play with energy (and provide energy to their team) -- but face it, Malik is a lot like Mark Madsen with a better jumpshot!  There will always be a place for those kind of players but they AREN'T worth the kind of press you've been trying to give him!  The problem is that you can't admit you are wrong even if the whole world knows it!

[SPURSX3]

 

You seriously need to consider growing a pair.

Now that you can't back up your weak arsed "Rasha 20 pts per game while Tim was out" made up stats, you change the subject.  Repeatedly.

Your babble about different websites, otherwise known as The Confusion Attempt, is just not even worth reading.

Randolph,

I'm glad to see after numerous posts that you have come to the same conclusion i originally had.  That being that Nazr might end up being a help.  

About Horrys rings with Hou and ring with LA, thank you for also supporting my original thoughts, that perhaps the gas is running out of Horrys tank.  Perhaps not, but perhaps.  That he WAS a solid playoff contributor only supports why the last two years show he may no longer be.  This year should show.

LMAO!

If you say so REALITY.  

here,

Feb 28th vs Denver Rasho scores 20pts 12 reb 2 blks
Mar 1st vs Memphis Rasho scores 18pts 10reb 5blks
Mar 3rd vs Seattle Rasho scores 12pts 12reb 2blks
Mar 5th vs Dallas Rasho scores 13pts 15reb 7blks
Mar 6th vs Phoenix Rasho scores 22pts 13reb 1blks
Mar 9th vs Memphis Rasho scoroes 13pts 13reb 6blks

lets see two games 20 points or higher.  not bad, I was off on part of that, but what is so memorable is his performance considering the 10 prior games he scored the following.

feb26 2pts 2reb 0blks
feb24 2pts 9reb 1blk
feb22 6pts 11reb 2blks
feb20 4pts 3reb 0blks
feb18 2pts 8reb 3blks
feb9 10pts 4reb 1blks
feb6 4pts 9reb 0blks
feb5 6pts 5reb 0blks
feb2 4pts 5reb 1blks
jan31 4pts 5reb 2blks

Tim went out on the 26th and came baxck on the 10th vs the clippers.  Did Rassho step it up?  Yes.  yeah I know "drr but you said 20+ points per game...drrr" I can hear you saying that already.  I also said if i founf the right stats I could admit I was wrong on that, no problem.  But Rasho did step it up for us when Tim went out and averaged 16.3 points per game, thats a hell of a lot better than the 4.4PPG he was averaging the ten previous games.  You posted NO stats whatsoever in regard to what Rasho did.  What was posted was in regard to the entire team play that occurred during Tims absence, or rather in part of that absence.  Which contradicts your whole arguement in the first place that Malik shouldnt have been traded.  The only part of this that IS confusing, is your horrible use of the english language when it comes to posting anything on this board.  Manu, Tony, and Hedo (who had few moments for us) were expected to score, Rasho however was not doing so well and a lot of pressure was put on him to step it up for us.  He did. nicely.  Next thing, I didnt change any subject on you reality.  I dont think I really need to explain my obligation to work and that some days - like today - I have more time to post, others I have less.  Not only that but this whole string of posts from me, randy, and wk, has been repeat after repeat of the same information to you as to WHY the trade works out and to answer your FIRST post that you didnt believe cap relief was a good excuse but it was some big conspiracy from Pop that made him trade Malik, not "rashastiff" or whatever stupid name you came up with, so along the way I explained why he did it, you get upset because you totally disagree about Horry or somethig like that, Randy speaks up you argue with him, Wk speaks and sides with you for a second, and after he see that that cap is the issue he changhes his stance and you try to burn him - if what your babble on this string could be considered "burning" someone.  but the same reasons for the trae have been REPEATED over and over.  And like i said in the prior post you said I changed the subject on, you're still wrong.  The fact is you couldnt believe he was traded for any good reason because it was really Pops loathing of Malik that made him do it rather than for the betterment of our team.  Randy even agreed with you for like a one post and you still went off on him.  I may have guessed at some stats from memory - which really are not far from what i guessed, but you posted "per 48 minutes" as to why he was a good player on our team.  when we point out to you that this is NOT a good way to determine his usefullness to the team then your start to get really funny.  All the while we are pointing out the same reasons to you.  and you want tyo say I am the one changeing the subject?  we answered your questions - you didnt like the answers.  you want there to be more to the story than just this being a business and thats the way it goes.  Should anyone disagree with you, then they are just wrong.  uh huh.  Yeah, I'm the one that should grow a pair?  I can admit to being wrong, you ramble on without even seeing the light dude.  Horry being the reason for our loss in the playoffs and then you want to talk about "team play" while Tim is out on IL, yet still trying to make ONE player sound as if they are the sole reason for our demise???  Reality, there is no confusion on my part in all of this, nor randy, nor WK.  What is confusing is how you can credit TEAM play while Tim is out for being the reason we succeed while still insisting Horry, or Rasho, should be gone over a player that THIS SEASON has done very little, or that cap space to build a better team is actually a good reason to trade someone.   :nonono:  :crazy:  

[Reality]

If you say so REALITY. 

here,

Feb 28th vs Denver Rasho scores 20pts 12 reb 2 blks
Mar 1st vs Memphis Rasho scores 18pts 10reb 5blks
Mar 3rd vs Seattle Rasho scores 12pts 12reb 2blks
Mar 5th vs Dallas Rasho scores 13pts 15reb 7blks
Mar 6th vs Phoenix Rasho scores 22pts 13reb 1blks
Mar 9th vs Memphis Rasho scoroes 13pts 13reb 6blks

lets see two games 20 points or higher.  not bad, I was off on part of that, but what is so memorable is his performance considering the 10 prior games he scored the following.

 

Duncan was out 10 games.
You left out 4 other games that Duncan was out.  How convenient.

March 10 No stats on Rasho, only leaders given.   (Rose 21 & 12 lead Spurs)
March 12th Rasho 4 pts 5 boards   (Rose 17 to lead Spurs & 7 boards)
March 14th 14 & 13 Rasho (very good)
Mar 15th vs GState 6 & 7 Rasho

So with a Real report on 9 of 10 games, not extrapolating his 6 best, Rasho is at 13. ppg.  The same as Rose lol!  They took turns leading the Spurs in boards, Rasho lead about 5 games and I'm sure had more overall.  However Rose leading 3Xs so have a cup.  Rose played much better then just trade fodder you make him.

7 games and 15 ppg. into the TimOut Pop had this to say about Malik:
"He's really been under control and playing with confidence."

Never did I say it should have been for a fact Horry traded or for a fact not Malik.  Twist n shout all you want.  I did say if it's just for cap room they may have given up too much with two #1s included.  Suggested possibly Rasha for Nazr?  You bet.  Maybe Nazr can do everything Rasha can do and we don't blow out two #1 draft pics.  As it stands if Nazr and Rasha can combine to be a 20/10 center, then great.  25/10+ superb, all the much better.  
Merely raised the spectre of Malik adding much to the Spurs titles and team chemisty, some say Tim Dunkers closest friend, also having heart and a pair of stones.  The latter which is quite bothersome to you.

Randy now ends up saying if Nazr works out, which would answer my original questions about the trade .   Only i did not dogmatically say it was such the great trade having no knowledge of Nazr.  You did.  Repeatedly.  Parrot.  Yet all you had to go on was his stats!  Not a word about seeing him play.  Yet you babble about me using stats, which I used and continue to use correctly.  You still are making them up.
 
Look Rasho and Rose both played excellently during the TimOut.   As did the rest of the Spurs.  Complete offensive change by Zit.  Smell the coffee.  Zit and the Spurs completely opened up the O when Tim went down.   Pop needs to keep the O open.

Should Nazr work out, Horry not shoot bricks in the playoffs, and the Argentine long hair be worth all the hype, fine its a great trade.  I think we all agree on that.  In fact i know we do.  Randy you can put that in [span style=\'color:blue\']crayon if you'd like. [/span] I'll wait till it happens and not consider presently consider Nazr the Prophet.

[SPURSX3]

If you say so REALITY. 

here,

Feb 28th vs Denver Rasho scores 20pts 12 reb 2 blks
Mar 1st vs Memphis Rasho scores 18pts 10reb 5blks
Mar 3rd vs Seattle Rasho scores 12pts 12reb 2blks
Mar 5th vs Dallas Rasho scores 13pts 15reb 7blks
Mar 6th vs Phoenix Rasho scores 22pts 13reb 1blks
Mar 9th vs Memphis Rasho scoroes 13pts 13reb 6blks

lets see two games 20 points or higher.  not bad, I was off on part of that, but what is so memorable is his performance considering the 10 prior games he scored the following.

 

Duncan was out 10 games.
You left out 4 other games that Duncan was out.  How convenient.

March 10 No stats on Rasho, only leaders given.   (Rose 21 & 12 lead Spurs)
March 12th Rasho 4 pts 5 boards   (Rose 17 to lead Spurs & 7 boards)
March 14th 14 & 13 Rasho (very good)
Mar 15th vs GState 6 & 7 Rasho

So with a Real report on 9 of 10 games, not extrapolating his 6 best, Rasho is at 13. ppg.  The same as Rose lol!  They took turns leading the Spurs in boards, Rasho lead about 5 games and I'm sure had more overall.  However Rose leading 3Xs so have a cup.  Rose played much better then just trade fodder you make him.

7 games and 15 ppg. into the TimOut Pop had this to say about Malik:
"He's really been under control and playing with confidence."

Never did I say it should have been for a fact Horry traded or for a fact not Malik.  Twist n shout all you want.  I did say if it's just for cap room they may have given up too much with two #1s included.  Suggested possibly Rasha for Nazr?  You bet.  Maybe Nazr can do everything Rasha can do and we don't blow out two #1 draft pics.  As it stands if Nazr and Rasha can combine to be a 20/10 center, then great.  25/10+ superb, all the much better.  
Merely raised the spectre of Malik adding much to the Spurs titles and team chemisty, some say Tim Dunkers closest friend, also having heart and a pair of stones.  The latter which is quite bothersome to you.

Randy now ends up saying if Nazr works out, which would answer my original questions about the trade .   Only i did not dogmatically say it was such the great trade having no knowledge of Nazr.  You did.  Repeatedly.  Parrot.  Yet all you had to go on was his stats!  Not a word about seeing him play.  Yet you babble about me using stats, which I used and continue to use correctly.  You still are making them up.
 
Look Rasho and Rose both played excellently during the TimOut.   As did the rest of the Spurs.  Complete offensive change by Zit.  Smell the coffee.  Zit and the Spurs completely opened up the O when Tim went down.   Pop needs to keep the O open.

Should Nazr work out, Horry not shoot bricks in the playoffs, and the Argentine long hair be worth all the hype, fine its a great trade.  I think we all agree on that.  In fact i know we do.  Randy you can put that in [span style=\'color:blue\']crayon if you'd like. [/span] I'll wait till it happens and not consider presently consider Nazr the Prophet.

actually Reality I remembered you did say he was out longer, My reasons for only giving the games i listed is because of wht i have already mentioned to YOU.  the time that Tim went out, there was serious pressure on Rasho from Pop and the media in SA, that he wasnt living up to his contract and people were getting ready to ship him ASAP, I was ready to ship him out ASAP.  what caught my attention about the dates given was that Rasho stepped up his game when we really needed him to, and the most Pop had to do was given him a pep talk, not bark at him.  Rasho took it upon himself to up his game - I think that was remarkable considering his basketball skills - they are really not THAT good.  this guy has to really practice to be as decent as he is, so for him to step up - to me that was just awesome.  that is why i mentioned those games - it wasnt convenience.  I had already mentioned that Time was out for something like 4 games or somethjing like that, The dates listed are the dates i meant - because after Tim came back, our team and our fans had a better respect for Rasho - I think it really saved him from being shipped out.

Is anyone else just waiting to see reality type something like this,"Oh YEAH, well what about this factoid SPURSX3, IF that is your REAL name!!..."  I mean that IS how stupid this whole thing has gotten. :crazy:  :nonono:  :rolleyes:  :huh:  

[westkoast]

Is anyone else just waiting to see reality type something like this,"Oh YEAH, well what about this factoid SPURSX3, IF that is your REAL name!!..."  I mean that IS how stupid this whole thing has gotten. :crazy:  :nonono:  :rolleyes:  :huh:

Im glad a Spurs fan is getting a taste of Reality's World Famous Retard Sandwiches.