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« on: December 27, 2004, 05:37:39 PM »
zig, pitchers.

Pedro Martiez and Pavano sign for megabucks, Matt Clement for good bucks yet Jose Lima (13-5, playoff shutout, Doger Stadium record of something like 9-2) gets a one year deal with KC.

I don't get it at all.

My favorite tho was of the 27 morons who vote for the phony MVP award, two awarded Carlos Beltran votes.  Even tho the ballot allows for 1st thru 14th.
The two who voted for him gave him like a 6th and 8th place vote.

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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2004, 05:49:07 PM »
Im worried about my Dodgers...theyve made alot of moves but im not sure if it is for the better.  Last years team was a very solid one, just happend to hit a much better ball club in the first round.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2004, 06:00:29 PM »
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Im worried about my Dodgers...theyve made alot of moves but im not sure if it is for the better.  Last years team was a very solid one, just happend to hit a much better ball club in the first round.
Are they commenting on why they let Lima go?  Can't fathom why.  Great record, sells tickets, attracts Latinos, gets crowd jacked with his high school antics.  

Dont sign Beltray for 13 mil, but do sign JD Drew for 11.  O-kay....

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2004, 12:33:33 PM »
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Im worried about my Dodgers...theyve made alot of moves but im not sure if it is for the better.  Last years team was a very solid one, just happend to hit a much better ball club in the first round.
Are they commenting on why they let Lima go?  Can't fathom why.  Great record, sells tickets, attracts Latinos, gets crowd jacked with his high school antics.  

Dont sign Beltray for 13 mil, but do sign JD Drew for 11.  O-kay....
I havent heard a peep about why they let Lima take off.  He was a big time favorite out here, not just with the latino community but with everyone.  Great pitcher, good attitude, unique personality, and he had a very good record at home.  Cant say that I am pleased that he is gone.  

Dont get me started about the Beltre/Drew thing...management is  :crazy:

Glad they shut down the big blockbuster trade tho!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2004, 04:09:08 PM »
Lot to talk about with baseball.

I think Boston made some really good moves.  Losing Pedro was tough, but they made a fair offer, and the Mets just made a better one.  I think Pedro is still a great pitcher, but he is not the Pedro of '96-'03.  I think the Mets took a big risk in 4 years.  I would have front loaded it more.  They replaced Pedro with Matt Clement, which is a downgrade, but not a huge downgrade.  Clement has good stuff, but was snake bitten last year in Chicago.  I think he will win 15 to 17 games.  The better move for Boston was Wade Miller, at $1.5 for next year.  He has had arm trouble, but he is a high quality pitcher when healthy.  If he is healthy then Schilling/Clement/Miller is better than Schilling/Pedro/Lowe.
Boston added Edgar Rentaria, and they paid dearly, but he was worth it.  He is a great player, and a huge upgrade over Cabrera (who is a good SS).  Renteria is every bit as good as Nomar, if not better.

The Dodgers have been doing some odd things.  I can understand the Beltre decision given that he has under achieved every year except last year, which of course he was MVP material.  Is he worth $13 million a year for the next 5?  If he plays like '04 then yes, but lets face it, he has been a huge disappointment in every other year.  Before '04 Beltre averaged .266, with 18 HR, and 73 RBI for 5 years.  Which one is the real Adrian Beltre???
They let him walk, but then they sign JD Drew.  Now JD Drew was signed for $2,000,000 less per year than Beltre, and JD Drew had just about as good a year as Beltre.  At the same time Drew is just like Beltre.  He has had 5 disappointing years (.280/18/53), and then after 1 big year you give him a monster long term deal.  Given that Beltre plays 3rd, which is a more difficult position, I think I would have signed him over Drew.
The big trade that didn't happen was interesting.  It seemed to me that the logic for the Dodgers was as soon as you do the deal, you go all out for Carlos Beltran, and if that is how it turned out then it would have been a fabulous deal.  It looks like Javier Vazquez may have a shoulder problem, but if he is healthy, then I take him over Brad Penny in a heartbeat.  It is amazing, but Vazquez has 2 bad months, after being one of the best pitchers in baseball for 3 years, and everybody says the Dodgers were stupid for trying get him.  At the same time Beltre and Drew had 5 medicore years, and then each has a monster year, and everybody is peeing down both legs to sign them.  As far as Shawn Green, the sooner the Dodgers can get out from underneath him the better.  He has has declined for 3 years, and the Dodgers are paying him $17 million a year.  He is 32 now, so expect more of the same.  He is a good player, but he is worth about $7,000,000 a year, not $17,000,000.  That part of the deal made a lot of sense.
I am flabbergasted that Magglio Ordonez hasn't signed and no one is willing to step up with the guy.  He is 1 year older than Drew, but compare the stats of Drew, Beltre and Ordonez for 1999-2003.

Beltre  .266 BA, 18 HR, 73 RBI, .756 OPS
Drew  .280 BA , 18 HR, 53 RBI, .867 OPS
Ordonez .312 BA , 32 HR, 118 RBI, .919 OPS
Ordonez is a flat out stud, but he hurt his knee last year, and now he is treated like a leper.  Go figure?  If Sexson and Glaus can get big deals after getting hurt why can Ordonez?  If Drew, and Beltre can get monster long term deals after 5 mediocre seasons, why can't Ordonez get a big deal after 5 great years?

Beltran and Delgado are the 2 remaining big name FA.  There is little doubt that Beltran will be a Yankee.  Him making $16-17 million is reasonable.  Oh the tax the Georgie Boy will be paying next year.
Talk is that the Sox are going after Delgado, and then moving Millar and Doug Mientkiewicz for additional pitching.  That would be a very smart move.
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2004, 12:33:11 AM »
why is Ekstein traded for Cabrea?  Look at the bucks difference.   Huge.

Dogers i believe heard from the fans about the Randy Johnson would be trade thus squealched.   Wonder why not a peep about Big Unit going to Boston or the Angels.
Have they both given up?

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2005, 07:34:11 PM »
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Are they commenting on why they let Lima go?  Can't fathom why.  Great record, sells tickets, attracts Latinos, gets crowd jacked with his high school antics.  

I havent heard a peep about why they let Lima take off.  He was a big time favorite out here, not just with the latino community but with everyone.  Great pitcher, good attitude, unique personality, and he had a very good record at home.  Cant say that I am pleased that he is gone.  
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 GM Depodesto on Extra 690/1150 today with Vic Jacobs.  I did not catch it all but Depo explained the Lima decision.  Also Beltran/J.D. Drew...