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Phildo Jackson speaks out
« on: July 13, 2004, 10:26:07 AM »
Phil on the Lakers current state, his future coaching, Kobme, Shraq, Buss.
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After putting the finishing touches on a journal of the Lakers' 2003-04 season, Phil Jackson has mailed it off to his publisher. Expected to be published in the fall, Jackson's tale promises to include his unique take on Kobe, Shaq and the organization as a whole.

But what about the Lakers' former coach himself? Is his NBA story at its end?

Phil Jackson divested himself of the Lakers, even declining an offer from owner Jerry Buss to become a team vice president.

"I don't anticipate coaching," Jackson told the Los Angeles Times during a telephone interview Sunday. "I wouldn't rule it out. But I don't anticipate I will. I may coach a group of AAU kids somewhere. But I'm not going to solicit an NBA job."

Especially not after the way the Lakers' season played out this year.

"I'm happy I left. It looks like the right time to leave," Jackson said. "They wanted to make some moves to accommodate signing Kobe. We knew they probably wouldn't work if I was coaching the team."

Even before Lakers owner Jerry Buss made the split with his coach official on June 18, Jackson had decided he didn't believe in the direction the team was moving. When negotiations over his contract extension were postponed in February, Jackson knew, he said, that he was coaching his last season in Los Angeles.

"I felt I was indifferent, [even] diametrically opposed to the direction they were going," Jackson told the Times -- so much so that he ultimately declined Buss' offer to become a Lakers vice president.

Still, Jackson didn't think the Lakers needed the sudden changes they are now clearly ready to make. Why break apart a team that was still so strong?

"We made the Finals and we weren't healthy," he said. "This still was a pretty good team. It would have only gotten better. Gary [Payton] and Karl [Malone] would have only gotten better in the system."

The direction the Zen Master couldn't follow? Kobe's Way.

Jackson told the newspaper that he'd gone so far as to intentionally undermine his contract negotiations with Buss -- by asking for at least $10 million per season -- as a way to stall for time, to observe Bryant's state of mind coming back from the summer of 2003, when the superstar guard was charged with felony sexual assault. What Jackson saw prompted him to understand that his fifth year in Los Angeles would be his last.

"It's hard for me to describe my relationship with Kobe," Jackson said. "I had an exit meeting that went really well with him. I wished him well and hoped he'd find happiness with a team. And happiness playing ball."

While Jackson insists that after the Lakers' five-game loss to the Pistons in the NBA Finals, when he and Bryant appeared to let bygones be bygones, he seemed to suggest that Kobe himself wasn't at peace.

"I learned that winning doesn't always make people happy," Jackson told the Times. "There's a lot of back-biting and selfishness and ego gratification. It's not enough for everybody, even when you win, sometimes. I don't know if it's the price of the NBA itself or the fact it takes such a heavy toll on our lives that makes it so difficult for all of us.

"A championship wasn't enough to make Kobe happy. I noticed it wasn't enough. It was OK. It was a notch in his belt. But it wasn't his end result."

Still, Jackson would like to see Bryant remain with the Lakers, though he doesn't think the team has much of a chance of returning to the heights it reached while he was coaching -- and while Shaquille O'Neal, who is on the verge of being traded to the Miami Heat, was leading the show.

"You can't replace Shaquille, there's no doubt about that," Jackson said. "He's a unique player. Los Angeles is going to have to say goodbye to any chance of being a multiple champion in the near future. ... It's a very daunting task without that force in the middle."

In their time on the team, Jackson seemed to appreciate O'Neal and his gregarious approach to the game and to life.

The two met up after O'Neal skipped out on his exit meeting. "I think we were able to part with some sense of goodwill and peace," Jackson said. "I told him I hoped he finished his career strong. He thanked me for what we were able to do together."

Such togetherness has now has been broken, and so irreparably that what's been happening recently in Lakerland makes Jackson cringe.

"I was disappointed at the way [my situation] was executed," he told the Times. "It makes the organization look fumbling.

"There was a way to do things with grace and elan."

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2004, 03:21:44 PM »
New article I read on MSN.com has Jerry Buss quoted as saying the Shaq move was determined away from Kobe and before anything went down.  Same thing with Phil Jackson, which Buss hinted to not wanting to pay him 10 a year.  Which makes no sense to me when they offered Mike K. the same amount.

Both decisions were made right after the finals.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2004, 03:56:27 PM »
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New article I read on MSN.com has Jerry Buss quoted as saying the Shaq move was determined away from Kobe and before anything went down.  Same thing with Phil Jackson, which Buss hinted to not wanting to pay him 10 a year.  Which makes no sense to me when they offered Mike K. the same amount.

Both decisions were made right after the finals.
I heard Coach K's contract was 5 years 40 mil. Am I wrong?

The whole Lakers debacle has been amazing to watch. Kind of like the Bulls meltdown in 98. It's kind of hard to watch, even for a hater like me, because it's just the worst parts of human nature destroying something that worked (I almost said something "good" HA!).

Ego has built up to such a freakish level in these two guys (Kobe and Shaq) that it is going to destroy the best chance each of these guys has to succeed on the highest level. It's really strange to watch Kobe push away everything that has led him to victory and riches. I mean, Michael Jordan was selfish, but he saw the big picture most of the time. Kobe has just gone beyond selfishness into foolishness. They're seriously letting him dictate which coach they will hire? Which philosophy? I mean, Kobe is good, but he's not that good.
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2004, 05:37:31 PM »
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New article I read on MSN.com has Jerry Buss quoted as saying the Shaq move was determined away from Kobe and before anything went down.  Same thing with Phil Jackson, which Buss hinted to not wanting to pay him 10 a year.  Which makes no sense to me when they offered Mike K. the same amount.

Both decisions were made right after the finals.
I heard Coach K's contract was 5 years 40 mil. Am I wrong?

The whole Lakers debacle has been amazing to watch. Kind of like the Bulls meltdown in 98. It's kind of hard to watch, even for a hater like me, because it's just the worst parts of human nature destroying something that worked (I almost said something "good" HA!).

Ego has built up to such a freakish level in these two guys (Kobe and Shaq) that it is going to destroy the best chance each of these guys has to succeed on the highest level. It's really strange to watch Kobe push away everything that has led him to victory and riches. I mean, Michael Jordan was selfish, but he saw the big picture most of the time. Kobe has just gone beyond selfishness into foolishness. They're seriously letting him dictate which coach they will hire? Which philosophy? I mean, Kobe is good, but he's not that good.
I agree.  What Kobe has is called 'Competitive-itis' he wants to compete and prove he is one of the very best so bad that its keeping him from seeing the big picture.  I do believe however Mike was in a totally different situation, he was the man from the begging and had plenty of time to prove himself.  Kobe has been in Shaq's shadow from day 1....and not to mention hes been beat to death verbally by Shaq and his ego.  I can see why Kobe has a problem with Shaq and vice versa.  The problem is that they both can't be men about it.  Like PJ was saying I guess thats what happens when you are on the NBA's grand stage.

Kobe hasnt dictated what goes on like the media is making it out to be.  He didnt get Shaq to leave, management did that the same way Orlando did.  Now that he was certain to leave management did everything they could to please Kobe because they a) want to fill seats and B) still have somewhat of a chance to barely make the playoffs.  Kobe is not pulling strings over there.  Buss and Co. are just doing everything they can think of to keep one of the stars.  Now PJ leaving probably was Kobe's doing, not directly but im sure he voiced his opinion and when it comes down to the business side of the NBA PJ is not going to fill seats.  Kobe Bryant is.

One thing people are not realizing is that this team is also thinking for the future.  Sure they are going to be hurting without Shaq this year and probably next but if they ship off Kobe for to please Shaq then in 2 years they are going to be stuck with nothing.  No star and nothing to trade.  I hate to look at it from this point of view because I want to see them play well and win but thats the sad truth.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2004, 05:55:43 PM »
Agreed. Kobe is the future. It's just too bad Shaq (even a diminished Shaq) can't be part of that. Kareem was able to step back for Magic, and look what it got him: 5 rings?

Question: What has Laker game attendance been like for the last decade? It seems like they'd never have any trouble filling the Staples Center, even with a non-playoff team. I can see some fall-off in other revenues though, logo royalties, etc.  
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2004, 06:12:02 PM »
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Agreed. Kobe is the future. It's just too bad Shaq (even a diminished Shaq) can't be part of that. Kareem was able to step back for Magic, and look what it got him: 5 rings?

Question: What has Laker game attendance been like for the last decade? It seems like they'd never have any trouble filling the Staples Center, even with a non-playoff team. I can see some fall-off in other revenues though, logo royalties, etc.
Kareem and Magic didn't have ego's.  They loved to play and they loved to win.  That was also back in a time when the money and fame wasnt such a huge issue.  Maybe I was too young then to really pay attention to the other drama that goes along with the sport tho.  You guys tell me.

The Lakers haven't had a problem filling the seats because they are the Lakers.  However, they've also had the luxury of having alot of good players at the same time.  Magic left in the early 90s but they still managed to fill seats because they had dazzle players people liked to watch....then Shaq showed up in town.  They know if they do everything in their power to get Kobe that the attendence will be there.  Kobe is a dazzle player.  If they dont get Kobe then Staples center will look like it does when the Clippers play....alot of wide open seats.
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