Clippers Salary situation

[jemagee]

Ack: Jem, I accidentally deleted your post.  I meant to hit "quote", and hit "remove" by accident.  They're right next to each other

to answer you're question, those figures I've posted already include Maggette being renounced.  If they don't renounce either Maggette or Brand, they're over the cap until one of them signs.

Actually i removed it, i didn't see your second post explaining the math, the confusing thing on your first point was that you included davis, the second list didn't have davis but did have brand

[TheGuiltyParty]

I don't doubt you even a little bit, dabods.... but why hasn't this been picked up by ANY of the major news sites??

[Derek Bodner]

Oh.  I had just figured I made the mistake.

The first post was to show if they do sign Davis, they won't be able to offer Brand a max contract (after they've renounced him).

The second post was to show why they'll have to renounce Brand (won't have enough money to sign Davis).

[Derek Bodner]

I don't doubt you even a little bit, dabods.... but why hasn't this been picked up by ANY of the major news sites??

Probably because nothing's officially happened yet.

And I don't think beat writers generally have a clue on the CBA.

[jemagee]

Oh.  I had just figured I made the mistake.

The first post was to show if they do sign Davis, they won't be able to offer Brand a max contract (after they've renounced him).

The second post was to show why they'll have to renounce Brand (won't have enough money to sign Davis).

For some reason the first one confused me and the second one didn't...my brain will probably do one of those 'hem' things this summer, kind of almost rhymes with orange and i don't know how to spell it, or an-your-ism

[jemagee]

I don't doubt you even a little bit, dabods.... but why hasn't this been picked up by ANY of the major news sites??

Probably because nothing's officially happened yet.

And I don't think beat writers generally have a clue on the CBA.

But teams should right?  I mean if Baron Davis and the clips have agreed they would have done the math right?

[Derek Bodner]

I don't doubt you even a little bit, dabods.... but why hasn't this been picked up by ANY of the major news sites??

Probably because nothing's officially happened yet.

And I don't think beat writers generally have a clue on the CBA.

But teams should right?  I mean if Baron Davis and the clips have agreed they would have done the math right?

I'm sure.  If this is all true (and I'm not 100% sure it is, someone could have been renounced I'm missing), then I'm guessing it will come out in the next few days that the Clippers are trying to work out a sign and trade for Davis.  But if the warriors have targeted Brand as their top option, they might not be willing to do that.  This could get interesting.

[tk76-]

When do rookies count against the salary cap? Can't be moment they are drafted right?

Additionally, if davis contract is 5 years / 65 million, which averages 13 mil per year, wouldn't the starting base be slightly less than 12 million if there's 10% raises every year?

I beleive it would be 8 (or 8.5%?) raises.  That makes the 1st year salary about 11M, atking them to 60M total- right at the cap. 

I think you are correct that they would have to renounce their Bird rights to Brand- but I am far from an expert. 

Did you post this at RalGM?

Add to this the question about the MLE.  I have read from people on both sides certain that the Sixers will or will not get to use the MLE after they are back over the cap.

[Derek Bodner]

Add to this the question about the MLE.  I have read from people on both sides certain that the Sixers will or will not get to use the MLE after they are back over the cap.

It's 100% they won't.  I can put you to the exact part of the CBA:
http://nbpa.org/cba_articles/article-VII_6.php

[Derek Bodner]

Being only 11 mil as the start for Davis, it becomes a little more doable.  If Brand re-signs taking a pay cut (ca $14 million starting), then they would have the cap room to offer Davis the 11.  Brand starting at $14 million, with 10% raises, for 6 years, is still probably a better deal than GS starting at 16, with 8% raises for 5 years.  So I guess the clips do still have the advantage, even though they have a lower starting point.

[tk76-]

I got the sense that brand opted out so that the Clips could get Baron.  It had an orchestrated frrl to it (Brand was even quoted as saying he wwanted to see the Clips add a PG before he resigns.)

I will be surprised if Brand doesn't resign, but starnger things have happened.

[Derek Bodner]

Warriors apparently offered Brand a 5 year deal worth between $85 and $90 million.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/02/SPRN11IP2K.DTL&tsp=1

[Derek Bodner]

Max the teams can offer.  This is assuming Brand signs before Baron, hence he doesn't lose bird rights, and assuming that the reported Baron offer is legit:
Clippers can offer about:

5yrs $72.6M
6yrs $90.9M

Warriors could offer:
5yrs $93,444,960

So that's about $20 mill more for the same length, which is substantial IMO.

[TheGuiltyParty]

Broussard was on SportsCenter and said he thinks Brand will take less money to stay in LA but that it's certainly not a given.