This is from stats freak Hollinger. I'm just stealing the list since it does have most of the top foreign players. The order i could take or leave or we could discuss, but irregardless it shows how much non US players are a part of the NBA.
Hollinger:
It's an international game these days, as everyone keeps reminding us, and a look at the past few MVP winners in the NBA only reinforces that point. Would you believe that in the past six seasons, only one MVP was born in the 50 United States?
This year will make it two out of seven -- all the leading contenders are American -- but it underscores the point that this has been the decade of the internationals in pro basketball.
And with that in mind, it's time to revisit last year's list of the top 30 international players.
Before we get to the rankings, let's revisit the ground rules. We're looking at players born outside of the 50 U.S. states, which means the likes of Tim Duncan (U.S. Virgin Islands) and Carlos Arroyo (Puerto Rico) count -- if you want to get into a semantic debate about their American-ness, take it up with the NBA, which lists both players as internationals.
Second, we've listed each player with his country of birth -- last year it jolted some folks to see the South African flag next to Steve Nash's name, but he was actually born in Johannesburg.
Finally, there's the most vexing part of the debate -- what we mean when we say Player X is "better" than Player Y. To make this list, my golden rule was choosing which player I would want most if I could only have them for the next six months. But I'll get into the nitty-gritty of player vs. player comparisons as we get into the list.
Now, onto the list:
1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
Age: 31 | Profile
Birth Date: 04/25/76
Born: St. Croix, Virgin Islands
Position: Power Forward
NBA experience: 11 years
2007-08 PER: 24.75
A year ago, Dirk Nowitzki was on top of this list. At the time, it made sense. He was on the team that won 67 games, had the league's top PER, he defeated Duncan in their last playoff meeting and was about to win the MVP award.
Since then, however, Duncan has regained the upper hand. He won a fourth championship ring, while Dirk went belly-up in the first round, and Duncan's ability to impact the game at the defensive end more than offsets Dirk's offensive advantages.
It's a closer race than you might think based solely on reputations. Although Duncan's career accomplishments dwarf Dirk's, recent history tells a different story. Dirk has a superior player efficiency rating for the third straight season -- and in two of the three seasons his advantage was quite large. But if forced to pick one for the stretch run, you'd have to take the Big Fundamental.
2. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
Age: 29 | Profile
Birth Date: 06/19/78
Born: Wurzburg, West Germany
Position: Power Forward
NBA experience: 10 years
2007-08 PER: 24.86
Unfortunately for Nowitzki, he was just hitting his stride before suffering a high ankle sprain and a knee sprain Sunday. He has averaged 26.2 points on 50.9 percent shooting since the All-Star break and seemingly had the Mavs on course for a top-six seed in the West. Now they might be lottery-bound, which would be a huge step backward for a team that was five minutes away from a 3-0 lead against the Heat in the 2006 Finals. Who would have thought both of those teams might be in Secaucus this May?
Nowitzki may not quite measure up to Duncan these days, but he's still the obvious choice at No. 2. The sweet-shooting German has ranked second, first and fourth in PER the past three seasons, with this year's fourth being an "off" year.
3. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns
Age: 34 | Profile
Birth Date: 02/07/74
Born: Johannesburg, South Africa
Position: Point Guard
NBA experience: 12 years
2007-08 PER: 21.59
Nash is getting up in years at age 34, and his output this season has dropped off from the past three seasons ... a bit. But fortunately for the Suns, he's also something of a freak. In particular, the attention on his passing sleight of hand causes many to overlook what an unbelievable shooter he has become. Nash is shooting 51.8 percent from the field, 48.2 percent on 3s and 90.4 percent from the charity stripe, putting him on pace for his second 50-40-90 campaign in three years. He missed the mark last season ... by one foul shot.
If Nash closes the season strong, he could end up in even more exalted territory -- the first player in history to join the 50-50-90 club. To do so, based on his current average of five 3-point attempts a game, he'd need to hit 60 percent from downtown (33-of-55) over the Suns' final 11 games.
4. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs
Age: 30 | Profile
Birth Date: 07/28/77
Born: Bahia Blanca, Argentina
Position: Shooting guard
NBA experience: 6 years
2007-08 PER: 24.75
For much of this season Ginobili has had the top PER of any international player, and he's on pace for his second straight top-10 overall finish in PER. Strangely, fans, coaches and media have been slow to perceive him as a star, with his indefensible exclusion from the All-Star team this year being the most glaring example.
However, we can't put him ahead of Nash -- even though he's out-PERed him and is a better defender -- because Ginobili only plays 31 minutes a game. Although I've argued repeatedly that most players have similar per-minute output regardless of how much or how little they play, I'm uncomfortable giving Ginobili the benefit of the doubt in this case. Limiting his minutes seems part of a conscious strategy by the Spurs to limit the wear and tear caused by his reckless playing style, and one has to wonder if he'd break down with a heavier workload.
5. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets
Age: 27 | Profile
Birth Date: 09/12/80
Born: Shanghai, China
Position: Center
NBA experience: 6 years
2007-08 PER: 22.65
The No. 4 player on this list a year ago, Yao would still rank third if we were going on ability to impact a single game. The problem is that there are too many other games in which he has no impact at all, because he's on the sideline in a cast. Yao has played 57, 48 and 55 games the past three seasons, so despite the fact that his weighted PER is better than Nash's or Ginobili's during that period, it's impossible to rank Yao ahead of those two.
It doesn't help his rep that the Rockets have again succeeded in his absence, much as they did last season. Partly that's a credit to Houston's depth, but it also serves as a reminder that Yao can be as much of a matchup problem on defense as he is on offense.
6. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies
Age: 27 | Profile
Birth Date: 07/06/80
Born: Barcelona, Spain
Position: Center
NBA experience: 7 years
2007-08 PER: 21.47
One of the league's most consistently underrated players while toiling for the Memphis Grizzlies, Gasol is now in the limelight thanks to his recent trade to the L.A. Lakers. As with Yao, he has had injury problems, missing 26, 2, 23 and 16 (and counting) games the past four seasons.
But he's shown the ability to carry teams by himself, both in the NBA (leading a fairly benign Memphis team to a 50-win season) and at the international level (carrying Spain to the world championship in 2007). Additionally, his six straight seasons with a 20-plus PER speaks to his consistency. If he were a more capable defender, he'd rank ahead of Yao and Manu.
7. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
Age: 25 | Profile
Birth Date: 05/17/82
Born: Bruges, Belgium
Position: Point guard
NBA experience: 7 years
2007-08 PER: 19.19
He seemed poised to move much further up this list after a breakthrough NBA Finals in which he shocked observers by repeatedly nailing long jump shots -- his greatest weakness throughout his career. But Parker has been beset by heel problems this season, knocking him out of 13 games, and his shooting percentage his dipped from the scalding 54.8 percent and 52.0 percent the previous two seasons to a more human 48.6 percent. That still makes him a heck of a player, but it makes it hard for him to move any further up this list.
8. Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors
Age: 26 | Profile
Birth Date: 09/28/81
Born: Villanueva de la Serena, Spain
Position: Point guard
NBA experience: 3 years
2007-08 PER: 21.32
The ridiculously efficient Raptor isn't thought of in star terms by most league observers, but his ability to create positive plays with virtually no negative ones is a vastly underrated asset. Calderon's true shooting mark of 62.2 is second only to Steve Nash, and he's first among all point guards in the percentage of possessions he uses that result in an assist.
Best of all, he has one of the lowest turnover ratios at his position, resulting in five dimes for every miscue. All of which makes Calderon an incredibly effective offensive player even though he doesn't take a lot of shots.
9. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers
Age: 32 | Profile
Birth Date: 06/05/75
Born: Kaunas, Lithuania
Position: Center
NBA experience: 10 years
2007-08 PER: 18.91
He's missed some games with back problems this season, but prior to that he was the league's most bankable big man for the past half decade, playing in at least 78 games for five straight seasons. And, when he's played this season, his numbers have remained stellar -- 18.1 points and 12.5 boards per 40 minutes -- providing LeBron James with his only real consistent source of offensive support.
10. Luol Deng, Chicago Bulls
Age: 22 | Profile
Birth Date: 04/16/85
Born: Wow, Sudan
Position: Forward
NBA experience: 4 years
2007-08 PER: 16.98
He would have ranked higher before the season, but, like many of the Bulls, his 2007-08 season has been a disappointment. Deng's inability to diversify his offensive game beyond taking two dribbles and shooting a contested midrange J has brought his improvement to a halt -- his per-minute scoring average hasn't increased this season while his shooting percentage has endured a 5 percent drop..
Deng is only 22 and still has as bright a future as any player on this list. But if you're drafting a team to win a game tomorrow there are a few other guys you'd rather have.
11. Hedo Turkoglu, Orlando Magic
Age: 29 | Profile
Birth Date: 03/19/79
Born: Istanbul, Turkey
Position: Guard-Forward
NBA experience: 8 years
2007-08 PER: 17.84
A popular choice for the Most Improved Player award thanks to his role in turning the Magic into Southeast Division champs, Turkoglu has added more than six points to his per-game scoring average while improving his field goal, 3-point and free-throw percentages. He's done this while becoming something of a de facto point guard for Orlando, as the 6-10 forward might be the team's best distributor. He'd rank higher if he had another season or two like this under his belt. Until he does, the more proven output of Deng and Ilgauskas trumps his.
12. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz
Age: 27 | Profile
Birth Date: 02/18/81
Born: Moscow, USSR
Position: Forward
NBA experience: 7 years
2007-08 PER:17.28
He's clearly not the player he was three years ago, but he's still pretty darn effective. Kirilenko's been more involved in the offense this season and shot the jumper much better, improving his numbers from last season's shockingly subpar levels. Subjectively, one also gets the sneaking feeling that if he were traded to another team that used him as a running 4 rather than a 3 on a power team, his numbers might revert to their 2004-05 levels.
13. Andris Biedrins, Golden State
Age: 21 | Profile
Birth Date: 04/02/86
Born: Riga, Latvia
Position: Center
NBA experience: 4 years
2007-08 PER: 18.13
One of the best percentage shooters in league history, Biedrins' 62.1 mark from the field this season is his fourth straight season above 57 percent from the floor. The Latvian lefty has also become an elite rebounder, pulling down 13.6 boards per 40 minutes, and at just 21 years of age still has plenty of upside to explore. He'd probably be more recognized for his skills if his coach didn't hate centers -- somehow, Biedrins only plays 26.7 minutes per game, and he has come off the pine 15 times even though Golden State has no other credible size.
14. Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix Suns
Age: 25 | Profile
Birth Date: 11/28/82
Born: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Position: Guard
NBA experience: 5 years
2007-08 PER: 16.27
The Brazilian Blur has tailed off slightly from his pace of a season ago, which is odd because the Suns stopped using him as a backup point guard and that was supposed to allow him to thrive in a pure scoring role. Instead his 3-point mark has dipped to 38.6 percent after being at 43.4 percent and 44.4 percent the previous two seasons, and he's actually taking fewer shots than last season.
15. Mehmet Okur, Utah Jazz
Age: 28 | Profile
Birth Date: 05/26/79
Born: Yalova, Turkey
Position: Center
NBA experience: 6 years
2007-08 PER: 14.35
A tough player to rank because he's plainly having an off year. Obviously this ranking presumes that it's a one-year blip and not a new level of ability for Okur, which seems reasonable given that he had four strong statistical seasons before this one and that he's only 28. Even given his struggles this season, I would think most folks would take him over Andrew Bogut or Samuel Dalembert in a one-game situation.
