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Re: The Mitchell Report
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2007, 12:52:11 PM »

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Clemens just put out some blurbs for the media today FEVERISHLY denying any use of steroids.  Do you guys think it is possible that maybe this trainer had a bone to pick with some of the people he named?

I don't want to make it sound like I believe Roger Clemens even though like he said he has been a pretty good guy in his 20 years in public life.  I am just wondering why someone would come out like Roger did denying it like he did and then offered to do a press conference to answer any questions.  Just sounds like if you were guilty of doing it you'd either try to ignore it, just say No I didn't and keep it moving, or fess up.  Not try to lie to the people even more.
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Denials by proxy make Clemens look worse


George Mitchell essentially called the second half of Roger Clemens' career a steroid-fueled fraud Thursday, devastating his legacy, Hall of Fame credentials and personal reputation.

Rather than responding like the Rocket Roger we knew on the mound ? sending the figurative 95 mph retaliatory fastball at Mitchell's chin ? we've gotten days of silence, the only official word from Clemens' camp being a brief denial on the pitcher's behalf from his agent Tuesday and an earlier circular, emotion-based, fact-devoid denial from his lawyer.

The latest statement said: "I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life. Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take."

The earlier denial was equally short on detail.

"Roger Clemens adamantly, vehemently and whatever other adjectives can be used, denies that he has ever used steroids," said attorney Rusty Hardin, apparently unaware that adamantly and vehemently are adverbs, not adjectives.

Hardin went on, but the broad-based denial did nothing to attack the heart of nine pages of detailed charges, based mostly from the sworn testimony of Clemens' former trainer Brian McNamee.

Lacking anything substantive, Hardin was left to play on emotions ? "that's not right, folks."

There was no counter to McNamee's charge, to name just one, that he repeatedly injected Clemens with Winstrol that Clemens supplied during the summer of 1998. There was no comment on the fact that before McNamee claims he began the injections, Clemens was 8-6 with a 3.77 ERA. After the injections, Clemens finished the season on a 12-0, 1.77 ERA tear.

There was no comment on any of the other charges through the years, either.

Meanwhile, Clemens' training partner and friend Andy Pettitte admitted that what McNamee told investigators about him using HGH was correct. So if Clemens is to be believed, McNamee was lying about him, yet telling the truth about Pettitte.

As bad as Clemens looked initially, it gets worse as each day goes by.

Apologists at ESPN have taken up Clemens' cause, calling McNamee a "sewer rat," claiming Clemens is nothing like Barry Bonds and even maintaining he might be the greatest pitcher of all time due to his 354 victories and seven Cy Young awards, even if the legitimacy of many of them are now in doubt.

The attack-the-accuser and muddy-the-water bit can be effective, if dishonest. But with Clemens mum, that's all there is ? a four-point defense that's as weak as Clemens' reputation at this point.

1. McNamee is a criminal and therefore can't be trusted.

His crime is distributing steroids, which kind of comes with the territory in a steroids investigation. This doesn't hurt his credibility, it increases it.

Would you find this story more believable if it came from, say, a Franciscan nun who claims she happened to be walking down the street en route to Vespers when Clemens suddenly stopped her and asked if she'd inject him in the rear with Deca-Durabolin?

McNamee is perfectly believable, in part because he's a former New York cop who worked for the Toronto Blue Jays when he met Clemens. The Rocket liked him so much professionally and personally he brought him to the New York Yankees. Later, Clemens hired him privately and hailed him as the nation's finest trainer and a friend.

2. Clemens is the victim of "hearsay."

Hearsay is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge. There is plenty of hearsay in the Mitchell report, but not concerning Clemens.

McNamee's charges are direct, first-person accounts. It's the opposite of hearsay. The allegation of Clemens willingly and knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs is actually more detailed and credible than anything directed at Bonds.

3. When the feds busted McNamee, the only way he could avoid prison was to agree to cooperate with authorities. As a result, he made up stories about Clemens to save himself.

McNamee did agree to cooperate with the U.S. Attorney's Office of Northern California. However, he was warned that if "he should be untruthful in any statements made pursuant to that agreement, he may be charged with criminal violations, including making false statements, which is a felony."

If McNamee is lying about Clemens, he risks going to prison. If anything, lying would have been the dumbest and most unlikely thing he would have done.

Hardin comically pointed out that McNamee once told Sports Illustrated that he and Clemens had nothing to do with performance-enhancing drugs. The lawyer seemed to claim that was the trainer's most truthful statement on the issue.

It isn't a felony to lie to a magazine. It is, in this case, to lie to a federal agent. But in Hardin's world, we are to believe McNamee told the truth to a reporter but lied to the feds, even at the risk of the prison term he was desperate to avoid.

McNamee would have to be a fool to admit to a reporter that he was illegally distributing steroids and an even bigger fool to not admit it to federal agents after he scored a plea deal.

4. Clemens has no way to prove he is innocent. "He has not been charged with anything, he will not be charged with anything and yet he is being tried in the court of public opinion with no recourse," Hardin said.

Clemens is hardly some hapless victim. He's enjoyed decades of victories in this same court of public opinion, and as a result, few Americans could wage a stronger defense against bogus charges.

Clemens' agents, marketers, image consultants, spokespeople and so on have crafted a powerful perception of him. He's been the center of national advertising and marketing campaigns, written the autobiography "Rocket Man" (with Peter Gammons) and done lengthy behind-the-scenes television specials addressing his rigorous training methods. Most media stories about him have been overwhelmingly positive.

The guy has so dominated the court of public opinion that he would enter this fight with a long-standing perception of a good, hard-working athlete. He is an icon to some.

It is that well-cultivated image, perhaps as much as his career numbers, which made the charges against Clemens one of the few parts of the Mitchell Report fans actually cared about.

Wednesday's brief statement from Clemens, through his agent, said in part, "I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment."

Clemens and his people are way too savvy to think that is realistic. They've certainly encouraged everyone to rush to a negative judgment of McNamee. By not making a detailed denial now, they are conceding the initial assumptions and almost admitting they have no counterproof at hand. In a crisis like this, if you have a defense, you hit back immediately.

Clemens' plan appears to be to wait until the public forgets the details and he turns to the emotional defense, assisted by top spin masters, in an interview with a sympathetic media outlet. With some media still defending him, he can probably choose the outlet and the conditions.

The court of public opinion might sound ominous and unfair, but it's not a bad place for someone such as Clemens to fight.

Of course, there is only so much that can be done unless he has clear, detailed arguments to counter the clear, detailed testimony of McNamee.

As we approach a week since his legacy collapsed around him, as the lies and syringes finally took him down, the continuing silence makes that seem less and less likely.

Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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Re: The Mitchell Report
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2007, 12:58:54 PM »
I thought about posting this one, too, in response to westkoast.

Wetzel reads fun when he's on the warpath.
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Re: The Mitchell Report
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2008, 08:32:45 PM »
My only response is he is a lying lameoid.  Give me a fricking break, you can't do any better than it was B-12 and Lidocaine?  You admit that he injected you, but it wasn't roids?????????  Why??  Because people saw McNamee injecting Clemens, so Clemens knows that he can't deny that, so he just says he injected him with something else.  Memo to Roger, if you need B-12 get some Flintstones Chewables.



Clemens: Injections were not 'roids
Rocket tells 60 Minutes shots were lidocaine, B-12


 NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Clemens said former trainer Brian McNamee injected him with the painkiller lidocaine and the vitamin B-12 -- not any performance-enhancing drugs.

In the first excerpts released from the pitcher's interview with CBS's 60 Minutes, which is to be broadcast Sunday night, Clemens maintained the denials he has issued since McNamee implicated him in the Mitchell report on doping in baseball, which was released Dec. 13.

McNamee, a former strength coach for the Blue Jays and Yankees, told Mitchell he personally injected Clemens with steroids in 1998 while they were with Toronto, and with steroids and human growth hormone in 2000 and 2001 while with New York.

"Roger took bunches of his shots over his career, much the way racehorses do, unfortunately," Clemens' lawyer, Rusty Hardin, said after the excepts were released Thursday.

Clemens issued a video statement on Dec. 23 denying McNamee's accusations and plans to hold a news conference Monday. Clemens did not mention injections of painkillers or vitamins.

"That short statement didn't go into any details and simply told the public at large he did not take steroids or any other performance-enhancing drugs. That's never been a contention of his," Hardin said.

"The reason he hasn't stepped out personally before now was really our decision, not his, and that was to more deliberately look into how in the world the Mitchell report could have reached what we believe was this totally wrong conclusion before we started talking out. Now we're more comfortable with all of that, and he's going to answer whatever questions they have."

During the CBS interview, recorded last Friday at Clemens' home in Katy, Texas, Clemens was asked whether McNamee had injected him with any drugs.

"Lidocaine and B-12," Clemens responded. "It's for my joints, and B-12 I still take today."

Lidocaine is a local anesthetic that can be used by dentists and in minor surgery. It also is available as part of ointments used to treat skin inflammation.

Clemens told CBS that McNamee's accusation was "ridiculous" and said he "never" used banned substances.

"Swear?" CBS's Mike Wallace asked Clemens.

"Swear," Clemens responded.

Baseball players and owners did not have an agreement to ban steroids until September 2002, and they didn't ban HGH until January 2005.

The Mitchell report states McNamee injected Clemens with substances provided by the pitcher or that McNamee obtained from former Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski. In his video statement, Clemens said: "I did not provide Brian McNamee with any drugs to inject into my body. Brian McNamee did not inject steroids or human growth hormones into my body."

McNamee's lawyer, Richard Emery, has threatened to sue the seven-time Cy Young Award winner for defamation.

"I think that this is a lawyers' game, which allows him to try and attempt to say that McNamee didn't know what he was injecting or that at least Clemens didn't know what he was injecting," Emery said.

"It really depends now on how the whole interview goes, and whether he goes after Brian. Look, I don't care whether Clemens used Sodium Pentothal. I don't care if he used strontium 90. My only concern is for Brian's well-being and his future."

Emery said a decision whether to sue won't be made until after the 60 Minutes interview is broadcast.

"It really depends on what a reasonable person would take away from the entire interview as to whether he's going to damage Brian. And we can't tell until what we see happens on Sunday," Emery said. "But it is fascinating. I think that Hardin and Clemens are responding to the fact that McNamee is going to defend himself aggressively by them trying to parse this closely and issue this statement through CBS. So it's fascinating, and I'm glad to see that they are responding to Brian's notice to them that he is not going to be trashed by them."

When Baltimore's Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for steroids in 2005 and was suspended for 10 days, he said a tainted vial of B-12 given to him by a teammate -- later identified as Miguel Tejada -- might have caused the doping violation.

Emery wouldn't say whether McNamee did inject Clemens with lidocaine and B-12.

"That's much too specific. That evidence has yet to be developed," he said. "There is a ton of evidence that the Mitchell report failed to explore that will corroborate Brian, and so it would be foolhardy for Clemens or Hardin to allow Clemens to trash Brian."

Emery said it was unlikely McNamee would sue CBS. He also hasn't decided whether a suit would be filed in New York state court or federal court.

"Either court in New York would be perfectly acceptable," he said. "No New York jury is going to be hoodwinked by this claim if he ends up defaming Brian."

Mets first baseman Carlos Delgado, a teammate of Clemens on the 1998 Blue Jays, said the pitcher and strength coach didn't appear to be close at the time.

"It wasn't anything more than the usual pitcher and conditioning relationship," he said.

Delgado did find fault with Mitchell's report.

"There's a lot of accusations with not enough evidence," he said.
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