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« on: October 07, 2005, 07:52:48 AM »
After 18 months, I finally found someone to hire me.  Not a great job, only a temporary assignment with IBM, but at least it will pay the rent.

In the meantime, apart from writing on this board, I've put my time to good use.  I learned about how corrupt our governent really is, and how few people seem to even be concerned about it, or willing to acknowledge how little freedom we actually have.

I've also learned a lot about money and the stock market.  Even without an income, I've get my net worth about even in dollar terms, even covering my living expenses.

I'd still like to find a better position, one more suited to my talents and disposition, but since Bush and I are in such opposition, he's not going to offer me a job!  Besides, I'd have a hard time working for such a corrupt man intent on manipulating our laws to extend his control over us even further.

Oh! To live in a world headed towards economic and political control by the very few over the many, and to have no way to stop it.  I guess this is much better than being put away in a Russian-style gulag, unable to bitch about it!  But it certainly isn't the persuit of happiness I was hoping for.

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2005, 09:40:33 AM »
I'm starting to think the personality tests must have gotten you all those other times.... :rolleyes:   :cheers:  j/k


congrats....now get to work!
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2005, 10:13:38 AM »
It's possible, and probably likely.  

I'm very direct and straightforward with people, and this sometimes makes them uncomfortable.  A lot of people are assholes, and they know that they are, but expect you to accept them and kiss their asses even though they are assholes.

I can't do it.  I can't pretend to respect someone that I have contempt for.

I like being honest with people, and working together to achive common goals.  Too many people in leadership postions are incompetant and uninterested in seeing the best way to do things.  They want things to be the way they want, no matter how f'ed those ideas and proceedures are.  Their ego is what drives them, not objective reality.

In deskside support you have to deal with a lot of different people.  I have found that in good companies, like Merck, most people are very intelligent, decent human beings, so it's easy for me to be nice and supportive.

But a lot of companies aren't like that, and it's very hard for me to kowtow to someone who wants me to do it to make them feel powerful.  I try to be compliant, but sometimes it gets to be too much, because they're so full of shit!

Because of this, it's hard for me to "fit in" in a lot of organizations.  I have to find a way to be more proactive in my career and move up to a higher level where I can use my analytical abilties to make a company more successful.  Until I can find a way to get decision makers to respect my abilities, that's not going to happen.

The interview with the IBM guy went well, we were both honest about what we expected, and connected as only people who've been around the IT block can.  I even got the guy to give me some extra money, because he recognizes I can do a number of different jobs, and he likes having that flexibility to maintain continuity in support.

I still don't understand why I didn't get the job with Glaxo.  It would have been essentially the same work, but with scientist in a lab environment.  I had direct experience, had a great phone interview and a direct one with three support people.  I thought I made a good connection with them too.  The headhunter called me a few days later asking about my availability, and then, nothing.  No contact since then from either the headhunter or Glaxo.  F them!  If they don't have the common decency to keep me informed, they can hire someone else to can jerk around.  Even if I didn't get the job, the least they could have done was let me know!

Another problem is that people are less likely to hire you if you're not working.  When you think about it, that's pretty perverse.  If someone is already working and they're ready to jump to your firm, just how long do you think that person will be with your company?  After they leave for a better job, you'll have to go through the whole process of finding someone else, training them and all the rest of that stuff.  Nonetheless that's just they way it is...

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2005, 10:46:46 AM »
Congrats.

IBM is supposed to have some good growth coming down the pike.  Are you considered an IMB emp or an outside temp?

Will they let you take any of their classes for free?

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2005, 10:56:31 PM »
I am classified as a Supplimental Employee, so while I work for IBM, I am a temporary and after 18 months I will most likely be let go.  After another 6 months of being out of work, they could offer me another assignment.

There's no way of knowing for sure what will happen, so my best hope is likely to be to secure a better job while I'm on this assignment.  If IBM's business picks up a lot, and I can demonstrate superior skills and performance, it's theoretically possible they could offer me a full time permanent postion, but I won't count on that happening....  

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2005, 11:24:01 AM »
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I am classified as a Supplimental Employee,
As such will they provide you with free classes.

There is some IBM cert that Spok the Teck told me about.  Results in very high demand good bucks postion.  Spok said once you have this IBM cert/license you could ride the incoming IMB wave for years.

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2005, 11:27:56 AM »
THANKS for that Info.

I will definitely take advantage of any free training they will provide.  I'm busy now with MCSE certification, but I like working with Servers and IBM has some pretty cool enterprise setups that I could learn which would position me well.

If I have to work for a living, I may as well enjoy it and be paid decent money.  It sucks not being able to use your talents in a productive way!
 

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2005, 06:37:43 PM »
Congrads Rick!  I am glad that you got something lined up.  Now if you network while you are at IBM then more likely than not you will end up in a place you like more suited to your skills.  

Does this mean we dont get to talk about the economy and stocks as much? hehe
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2005, 07:28:06 PM »
The last time I posted something about stocks and the economy, I asked if anyone was interested.

Since no one responded positively, I've stopped.  I'm not going to spend my time informing people about money if they're not going to take the time to read it and learn from it....

Besides, anyone who wants to learn can go to jsmiset.com and learn all they need to about the economy, stocks and our government.  

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2005, 09:19:25 PM »
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The last time I posted something about stocks and the economy, I asked if anyone was interested.

Since no one responded positively, I've stopped.  I'm not going to spend my time informing people about money if they're not going to take the time to read it and learn from it....

Besides, anyone who wants to learn can go to jsmiset.com and learn all they need to about the economy, stocks and our government.
I read just didnt reply.  As I am sure others did.  I am very uneducated in the subject(s) so I stick to trying to soak up information rather than making comments on something I do not know too much about.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2005, 10:54:53 PM »
I'd be glad to discuss it, IF people were interested.  All anyone had to do was write, please keep posting, or ask questions.  Since no one did, I stopped.  I go to other web sites to post on the markets anyway.  It used to be a better board, but a lot of the people left as the market became flat and hard to trade.

I used to post at the Prudent Bear site where there was a place to chat.  Many of us were negative on the market, and discussed opportunities to short.  Like a lot of boards, this one became corrupted by a lot of people with no knowledge but big mouths.  A few of us left and went to a site on yahoo called Investorsexchange.  (No snide comments please!)

At least at that site I can post charts with my technical analysis, even there, the best posters have left and only a few die-hards, primarily gold bugs remain.

As I said the best site I know of to learn about trading is jsminset.com.  It has become very difficult to trade stocks, as the "Plunge Protection Team" is preventing a crash in the markets.  Regan started this group as the Exchange Stabilization Fund back in the 87 crash. Jsmineset even had a chart showing the e-mini SP500 being manipulated in the last half hour of trading, where you see a seriously declining market, that all of a sudden goes straight up.  Only someone with really deep pockets can manipulate the whole market, and the PPT is the only suspect with that capability.

Jim Sinclair even wrote about the technique used to bull the market this way and that, safely and profitably using what is known as a spread trade.  You take a large postion in the market, with two postions long and short.  As the market goes down, you close out the short position by buying back what you sold, making a profit and scaring all the other shorts to do the same.  As the market gets bulled back up, you can rebalance the postion by putting back the short leg for the next sharp drop and at the same time, profit on your long postion.  Anyone with enough money backing them can do this as long as they wish. It was pioneered in the old days, by guys like Jesse Livermore, even in stocks that should have gone to zero.  There is nothing knew in the markets, just new players relearning the old games.  

Now that the government is in the market, it has lost all semblence of reality.  The only thing that makes me money is speculating in commodities, which are rising as the dollar crashes, and China and India buy all the metal and energy they can.  Gold and Silver are the best bets, but even there all you're doing is keeping even, as gold and the dollar move inversly.  Many of the miners are hedged, so that as the price of gold goes up, their short positon takes away their profit.  So, it's even hard there to pick the right stocks.

The best thing for novice investors is to keep buying USERX or UNWPX, two mutual funds that invest in miners, or buy GG, Goldcorp, and unhedged, low-cost producer.  Gold is in the process of breaking out.  You can go to www.kitco.com or INO and see the battle between the longs and shorts being waged.  Sinclair says gold will eventually trade for over $1600/oz. It is now, 475.90, preparing for an assualt on the 480 level and then over $500, probably by the end of this year.

I'm very happy I have a job now, so I can put more into Gold.  I'd love to be in a postion to buy futures, but you really have to be a pro to do that successfully. Hopefully before this market is over, I'll be in a position to make some real dough.  :up:  

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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2005, 10:28:41 AM »
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I'd be glad to discuss it, IF people were interested.  All anyone had to do was write, please keep posting, or ask questions.  Since no one did, I stopped.  I go to other web sites to post on the markets anyway.  It used to be a better board, but a lot of the people left as the market became flat and hard to trade.

I used to post at the Prudent Bear site where there was a place to chat.  Many of us were negative on the market, and discussed opportunities to short.  Like a lot of boards, this one became corrupted by a lot of people with no knowledge but big mouths.  A few of us left and went to a site on yahoo called Investorsexchange.  (No snide comments please!)

At least at that site I can post charts with my technical analysis, even there, the best posters have left and only a few die-hards, primarily gold bugs remain.

As I said the best site I know of to learn about trading is jsminset.com.  It has become very difficult to trade stocks, as the "Plunge Protection Team" is preventing a crash in the markets.  Regan started this group as the Exchange Stabilization Fund back in the 87 crash. Jsmineset even had a chart showing the e-mini SP500 being manipulated in the last half hour of trading, where you see a seriously declining market, that all of a sudden goes straight up.  Only someone with really deep pockets can manipulate the whole market, and the PPT is the only suspect with that capability.

Jim Sinclair even wrote about the technique used to bull the market this way and that, safely and profitably using what is known as a spread trade.  You take a large postion in the market, with two postions long and short.  As the market goes down, you close out the short position by buying back what you sold, making a profit and scaring all the other shorts to do the same.  As the market gets bulled back up, you can rebalance the postion by putting back the short leg for the next sharp drop and at the same time, profit on your long postion.  Anyone with enough money backing them can do this as long as they wish. It was pioneered in the old days, by guys like Jesse Livermore, even in stocks that should have gone to zero.  There is nothing knew in the markets, just new players relearning the old games. 

Now that the government is in the market, it has lost all semblence of reality.  The only thing that makes me money is speculating in commodities, which are rising as the dollar crashes, and China and India buy all the metal and energy they can.  Gold and Silver are the best bets, but even there all you're doing is keeping even, as gold and the dollar move inversly.  Many of the miners are hedged, so that as the price of gold goes up, their short positon takes away their profit.  So, it's even hard there to pick the right stocks.

The best thing for novice investors is to keep buying USERX or UNWPX, two mutual funds that invest in miners, or buy GG, Goldcorp, and unhedged, low-cost producer.  Gold is in the process of breaking out.  You can go to www.kitco.com or INO and see the battle between the longs and shorts being waged.  Sinclair says gold will eventually trade for over $1600/oz. It is now, 475.90, preparing for an assualt on the 480 level and then over $500, probably by the end of this year.

I'm very happy I have a job now, so I can put more into Gold.  I'd love to be in a postion to buy futures, but you really have to be a pro to do that successfully. Hopefully before this market is over, I'll be in a position to make some real dough.  :up:
Could I get a link to those sites please?

Rick I apologize for no responding, I know Reality and myself have been reading.....its just that when someone is speaking spanish really fast I tend to try to understand what they are saying first and then try with my white boy-ish accent to speak a few simple replies.

How do you feel about Mutual Funds and 401k?  I have money going into my 401k and the company matches up to an amount (I think its like 2,500 now) but I am wondering if my money is best put somewhere else.  I am a young guy and am kinda weary of pumping cash into something that I wont be able to touch ( at least not for a huge price) for a very long time.  Some people were telling me its great to start so young and others were saying that my money would be better invested somewhere else at least until I hit 30 or so.  Personally it makes my head swell and steam blow out my ears but I want to become more educated as I would like to be more financially stable.

As for your new job, I have to admit I am a bit envious.  I actually use to tell people when I was in elementry school and jr high that I was going to work for IBM or Microsoft when I got older.
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2005, 11:43:39 AM »
The first site you should go to is www.jsmineset.com and read all you can there about trading. Go into the archives and learn about trend lines, support and resistance, and fibonnacci retracements.  There's a lot to Technical Analysis, but since all it does it is tell you what has happened, and not what will happen, there's no need to go too deep into it.

Also, on that site read everything written by Dan Norcini.  He posted two articles in there, on what moves the market, and a chart showing the manipulation I referred to.

USERX and UNWPX are mutual funds that you might be able to roll over your 401K and IRA into.  If you do a transfer, you won't incur any expenses.  You can learn how to invest in them and their philosophy at www.usfunds.com.

www.kitco.com has streaming charts for the spot marked in Gold and Silver.  They even have an applet that streams the price of Gold and Silver onto your taskbar.  If you can't find it, give me your e-mail and I'll send it to you.

It is very good to put money away in a 401K, provided that it is invested in the right things.  If there is a gold/precious metals fund or resouce fund in industrial metals and engergy, push your savings into those.  By all means take as much advantage of the match from your company, and be aware of how long you have to keep it in their accounts.  As they permit, take the money and move it into the funds that I mentioned, or any others of a simillar nature that perform as well.

No mutual fund will do as well as you will once you learn to trade.  But until you learn, assuming you ever can, it is good to rely on pro's to do the work for you.  Most company 401K's don't give you good enough options.  Stay away from funds that invest in the S&P 500 or Dow. Investment advisors will think you're crazy to do this, but they are dopes who make their money pushing their recommendations, not making you money.  If they were really good at picking stocks, why would they waste their time talking to you?

Most funds are a scam, and most people loose money in investing.  The real purpose of the stock market is to transfer money from the outsiders - you and me - and transfer it to the insiders. The only way to protect yourself is to be informed and think for yourself.  While no-one knows the future, the better you are able to discern trends early and position yourself to take advantage of them the better you will be at making money.  It is hard to make money and the people in the investment communty rely on suckers to make their living.  They are snakes, unlike you who tries to earn a living by work.  Make sure that you realize they make their lives by preying on you and protect your money by being smart about who you deal with, even if your company trusts them with your money!

By all means got to a bookstore, and spend $20 on an old book called "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator" by Edmin Lefevre.  It is actually an autobiography by Jesse Livermore, a guy who learned the game inside and out and made his living as a speculator in the markets.  Even though it's old, it contains all the principals to teach you how to make money in the markets.

www.321gold.com has lots of articles on Gold, including a number written by Jeff Kern who specializes in trading the USERX fund using a propritetary index he developed.  www.safehaven.com often has decent articles, look for ones by Steve Saville and Zoron Gayer.

www.prudentbear.com has articles on the economy and the market.  I'd recommend them as a fund, but since they don't time the market and short it based on fundamentals, I don't think it's a good place to put money.  As you become more informed, learn about options and using them to hedge your bets, or to profit from market downturns.  Options provide tremendous leverage, but are also a good way to loose money, as unless the stock you buy your options moves in the right direction fast enough, you will loose money.  

Get experience by going to www.stockcharts.com and putting in symbols of stocks, commodities and mutual funds in and getting charts on their price movements.  Look for the annotate link and learn how to do techical analysis for yourself, after reading jsmineset.

Try getting to yahoo and looking up investorsexchange and joining that site.  I post there once in a while and you can see some charts that I do.  I post under the same name there, so you'll find those easilly.

It is great that you are interested in this so young, as it gives you a head start on a lot of people.  The earlier you realize that learning how to make your money work for you the more you will be able to make and hold onto as you get older.

No need to be envious at me.  I taught myself how to work on PC's and worked my way up through help desk to deskside support, and hopefully onto network administration and network monitoring.  If you apply yourself, I'm sure you can do anything that I did, provided you like doing that type of work.

I used to think working for great companies was the ticket to the good life, but now I'm not so sure.  By all means work hard, but realize your working for yourself and your objective is to get them to pay you.  Be very good at what you do so your worth the money, and realize that they make their money by getting more out of you than they pay you.  Also know that as soon as they decide to save money they will drop you like a cold stone.  It has nothing to do with you.  Businessmen make mistakes all the time, and most poeple who make personnel decisions make a lot of them, even at good companies.  Merck wouldn't be in the trouble they're in if they didn't make mistakes in hiring the wrong people and putting them in the postion to make bad decisions!

IBM used to be on top of the PC world, and they made Microsoft successful, when they themselves could still be on top.  Get that! IBM made Microsoft by giving them money for an operating system they got from someone else! IBM didn't recruite the right people to build a better os than Microsoft, even though they tried with OS2.  Windows was crap, but it was still better than anything else at the time and it was cheaper than Apple which made stupid decisions too!

Don't be impressed by these guys, simply because they became big.  Once upon a time GM was the biggest company in the world, but they stopped innovating and making better cars. Now look at them!  Companies become successful, because the right guys get into the right positons and move them forward.  Once they leave, the companies often fail to maintain their success.  And, it isn't allways the guy at the top that make the difference either.  They're jsut the ones who exploit the poeple who create the real value!  

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2005, 12:17:57 PM »
Wow I really apperciate you taking the time to type all that up.  I have bookmarked a few of the sites.  Now for some heavy reading!  I am intrested so young not because us young whipper snappers are greedy....but because my mother is older now and really has nothing saved up for her retirement.  She never really had the chance to invest and put money away as we were always living check to check.  I have a great job now and can afford to do things that she wasn't able to do so I am going to do it.  Besides, guys my age spent their extra money on beer and beer...I think this route may be a little bit better in the long run.

"No need to be envious at me. I taught myself how to work on PC's and worked my way up through help desk to deskside support, and hopefully onto network administration and network monitoring. If you apply yourself, I'm sure you can do anything that I did, provided you like doing that type of work.

I used to think working for great companies was the ticket to the good life, but now I'm not so sure. By all means work hard, but realize your working for yourself and your objective is to get them to pay you"

I also taught myself how to work on PCs.  I worked in the mailroom at this company and showed the "suits" I was pretty good with the computers and the users themselves so I was pulled into another department.  So far so good!

Have to admit when I was saying I was going to work for  IBM/Microsoft when I was younger it was partially an image thing and me being very naive.  You know, being a kid you assume if you work for IBM or Microsoft you will be happy, rich, and in a player in the industry  :rofl:    Boy do I miss not knowing any better about certain things.
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