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Should the Lakers just wait?
« on: July 20, 2005, 03:05:42 PM »
Should the Lakers just suck until 2007, thereby freeing up major cap space?

A Stoud, Yao, and Lebron James are three who may be available at that time.

The Spurs were in the same sitch, albeit to a much much much lesser extent after the 2003 Champ year.  Reacting to the Lakers being joined by Karl Malone and Payton for minimal to make up the M.O.A.T., the Spurs had the choice to wait it out for huge cap space in summer 2004 or sign RashaNest.  We know what happened.  

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2005, 07:34:06 PM »
Do they have a choice?  They have one star and a bunch of role players.  You won't see the Lakers hoisting any Championship trophies for a while.

But then again, they just got a couple.  It won't be their turn again for awhile.  

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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2005, 11:31:12 PM »
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Do they have a choice?  They have one star and a bunch of role players.  You won't see the Lakers hoisting any Championship trophies for a while.

 
Sure they do.  They could spend money and not make the playoffs at all.  Or spend money and move up to playoff contender.  Maybe even advance to the 2nd round.  

Or.

They could save money, probably not make the playoffs.  Or save money and maybe make the playoffs.  Or find some incredible players that come in at super low salaries, highly unlikely in todays NBA.  So, should they just presently save money, don't even try to move up to Round 1 or Round 2 ouster?  Come into the summer of 2007 with oddles of cap room.   Sign the right players.  Perhaps title in 2008-9 or 2010.  Thus keeping alive their titles in every decade since the 40s, missing only in the '60s and even then making the finals 7 times before facing the superior Celts.

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2005, 12:29:35 AM »
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Do they have a choice?  They have one star and a bunch of role players.  You won't see the Lakers hoisting any Championship trophies for a while.

 
Sure they do.  They could spend money and not make the playoffs at all.  Or spend money and move up to playoff contender.  Maybe even advance to the 2nd round.  

Or.

They could save money, probably not make the playoffs.  Or save money and maybe make the playoffs.  Or find some incredible players that come in at super low salaries, highly unlikely in todays NBA.  So, should they just presently save money, don't even try to move up to Round 1 or Round 2 ouster?  Come into the summer of 2007 with oddles of cap room.   Sign the right players.  Perhaps title in 2008-9 or 2010.  Thus keeping alive their titles in every decade since the 40s, missing only in the '60s and even then making the finals 7 times before facing the superior Celts.
Honestly IMO they should wait.  Even if they spend money now the team is still going to have to play together for a while to really become any sort of decent contender in this league.  If they pick up a few people now they may miss out on a FA signing that could change their status around the league.  I mean its not like the Lakers havent done this 2-3 times now.....

Who else is up in 2007?  Amare wont be out of contract then will he?  Yao, ehhhh.  Pretty much the Lakers need to land a big man.   One not named Kwame or Bynum.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2005, 04:44:39 PM »
Will Kobe be patient if the Lakers decide to take the cheap route and get some decent first-round lottery picks?  Can he really be the hub for a new Laker championship caliber team?  

What will the poor, spoiled Laker fans do?  

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2005, 08:35:13 AM »
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Will Kobe be patient if the Lakers decide to take the cheap route and get some decent first-round lottery picks?  Can he really be the hub for a new Laker championship caliber team?  

What will the poor, spoiled Laker fans do?
Kobe can be the nucleus for a new title team, with the FA market the turnaround time is not as bad as it used to be.  The front court needs to be beefed up along with the addition of some consistent outside shooting.

Laker fans will do what they always do, be patient and enjoy the NEXT championship team.  I know fans of one/two hit wonder teams like Philly can't comprehend that so I won't waste my time trying to "learn y'all".
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2005, 09:23:44 AM »
The idea of "we'll wait, and hit the free agent market in future year" is a losing attitude.  You don't have to offer role players multi-year contracts in order to assemble a winning team.

For a franchise like the Lakers, you need to be competitive; you need to keep the fans interested.  That doesn't mean you have to compete for the title every year, but you MUST, MUST, MUST field a team with an opportunity to win games.

Los Angeles has a set of mis-matched pieces.  They need to assemble a set of pieces that work together.  That's the bottom line for the franchise.

As for the idea that they'll just sign Stoudemire, Ming, or James in 2007, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't all of those guys go through RESTRICTED free agency?  Their current teams will simply max them out and retain them.  The other option is to trade for them by assembling enough talent (like Miami did) to make a trade seem at the minimum, acceptable (even if it's only acceptable to a fool).  Los Angeles doesn't have that right now.

Either way, it looks like LA's only real choice is to get some new folks in.
 
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2005, 11:47:41 AM »
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For a franchise like the Lakers, you need to be competitive; you need to keep the fans interested.  That doesn't mean you have to compete for the title every year, but you MUST, MUST, MUST field a team with an opportunity to win games.

Los Angeles has a set of mis-matched pieces.  They need to assemble a set of pieces that work together.  That's the bottom line for the franchise.

As for the idea that they'll just sign Stoudemire, Ming, or James in 2007, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't all of those guys go through RESTRICTED free agency?  Their current teams will simply max them out and retain them.  The other option is to trade for them by assembling enough talent (like Miami did) to make a trade seem at the minimum, acceptable (even if it's only acceptable to a fool).  Los Angeles doesn't have that right now.

Either way, it looks like LA's only real choice is to get some new folks in.
Stoudemire is entering the last season of a rookie scale contract that will pay him $3,508,125 in 2005-2006. The Suns will almost assuredly sign him to a maximum level deal for five years.  Nonetheless he is an UFA for the '06-7 season.

Lebron.  RFA for '06-7.  UFA for '07-8
Yao Not sure but i think he is UFA for '07-8

Marketing forces ordering Stoudamire and Lebron to the Lakers for the 2006 season would have Laker Fans wetting themselves.

As to the Lakers "must must" win now, history has them taking parts of decades off in exchage for winning later.  Ie late mid-late 70s drought until Magic was marketed over.   Early-mid-late 90s before Shaq rapped over and Charlotte *traded* Kobme then Phil arrived.  They don't "have" to win next year and they won't.  Or even the next two years.  If they win again in 2007-2009 it will all be good and glittering again in Hollywood.

I'd even like to see them jettison Kobme for even more cap space.  Won't happen as he embodies La La Land Lakerism but still it would be nice.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2005, 12:30:23 PM »
Spoiled Laker fans?  Hmm, I'm sure there are some -- of course, there are currently spoiled San Antonio and Detroit fans -- there have been spoiled Bulls fans, SacTown fans, Jazz fans over the years.  Sure, there has been a long storied history of success in LaLa land with the Lakers and of course, there are MANY bandwagon fans (a lot of these are celebrities as well).  

But EVERY team goes through a rebuilding stage.  Sure, many have done better than others but where would the Spurs be today if it weren't for the luck of a season of bad health with DRob and Elliott which resulted in an incredible turn of luck with a ping pong ball.  But rebuilding is something every team goes through -- and it's currently LA's turn.  

TRUE fans will be patient -- of course, that doesn't mean they won't whine about it but they will be patient.  And there ARE celebs who are among the rank and file of true Lakers fans -- Jack and Diane are two who were there courtside the last time the Lakers went through a rebuilding process.  But you need to understand -- to get to sit courtside of a Lakers game is a sign of prestige and "arriving" in Hollywood.  Notice Toby McGuire sitting courtside after Spiderman hit it big?  That's not a coincidence -- the Lakers have been the hottest ticket in LA for years.  Will that change?  Well, celebs will still pay big money for the experience and to see Kobe play -- even though Kobe doesn't have much help he is still one of the best players in the game.

However, with all of that said, I must agree with Joe -- you don't sit around and wait 2 or 3 years for specific players -- you have to assemble the best team you can today (and next year, etc.).  It's obviously, at least IMO, that they are trying to do that THIS year -- which is tough given their current cap restrictions and lack of personell to make deals.  I REALLY struggle with the trades that we have made though -- trading Butler was a HUGE mistake (not to mention we sent with him our ONLY PG).  This brings up a LOT of questions in my mind!

Lakers current roster:
PG - Tony Bobbitt G 6-4, Von Wafer G 6-5
SG - Kobe Bryant SG 6-6, Sasha Vujacic G 6-7  
SF - Lamar Odom, Devean George, Jumaine Jones, Luke Walton
PF - Kwame Brown, Ronny Turiaf, Brian Cook, Stanislav Medvedenko  
C - Chris Mihm, Andrew Bynum, Brian Grant  

First, this line-up doesn't even make any sense.  You don't have a PG so what are they going to do, start Kobe at the point?  While PJ loves a big line-up, and Sasha or Jumaine Jones can play SG, Kobe can't guard the quicker PG's in the league (Nash, Parker, Bibby, etc.).  Also, the Lakers have WAYYY to many players in the frontcourt -- Kwame, Turiaf, Medvendenko, Mihm, Bynam (not to mention Cook and Grant) are going to have split time at two positions and we just don't need all of these guys.  But the biggest problem is that we have too many SF's -- Odom is going to get the majority of the minutes so George or Jones end up sitting the bench most games (which is a waste when you don't have a PG).  

The Lakers can't stop making trades at this point and while they CAN find some help at SG (if they start Kobe at PG), they HAVE to address a player who can guard small quick PG's otherwise those teams will continue to kill the Lakers!

PS - I DON'T want Yao Ming as a Laker -- the guy is WAYYY too slow and hasn't shown that he is EVER going to develop the conditioning needed to be an impact player (THE MAN) in the league.  He is tall, a decent rebounder and shot blocker, and can shoot but he isn't going to strap teams on his back, IMO.  And he is going to be paid Shaq kind of money to never develop his potential -- thanks but no thanks!  I don't see Amare going anywhere -- as long as Phoenix keeps their core and is treats Amare right -- I just don't see Amare leaving.  
 

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2005, 02:23:43 PM »
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[Stoudemire is entering the last season of a rookie scale contract that will pay him $3,508,125 in 2005-2006. The Suns will almost assuredly sign him to a maximum level deal for five years.  Nonetheless he is an UFA for the '06-7 season.

Lebron.  RFA for '06-7.  UFA for '07-8
Yao Not sure but i think he is UFA for '07-8
 
Yao and Amare were drafted in the 2002 draft.  That means they will be restricted FA, if the are not extended, after the 05-06 season.  They will be unrestricted after the 2006-07 season.

LeBron was drafted one year later, so he will be restricted after the 06-07 season, and unrestricted after the 07-08 season.
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