Kobe case news

[WayOutWest]

Forgot to post this yesterday.

A woman from Florida may be called as a witness in the Kobe case.  She was allegedly groped by Kobe without her consent.  It happened at a party at Shaq's house when the Lakers were playing the Magic so Shaq may be called as a witness because he owned the house in which the incident took place.

[WayOutWest]

More news, apparently the accuser in the Kobe case is backing out of both the criminal case and civil suit.  She can be forced to testify in the ciminal case and only the DA can drop the case.

The accuser doesn't want court documents about her sexual history to become public.

I hope Kobe doesn't pay a dime to this girl if she decides to go ahead with the civil case.

[Reality]

So will Shaq testify favorably or not vs Kobe?  :rolleyes:  
Maybe in exchange for letting him shine on Xmass day Shraq will say Kobe sat in a corner at the party and studied the bible.

Seems a fair amount of the legal gum flappers are saying the court workers leaks are quite damaging to her case.  She is allegedly talking to the Eagle Prosecuters today about whether to continue.

Can Barney Fife and Company put on a case even if she drops?  I mean i know technically the can, but would her non testimony end all chances for conviction?

An interesting new twist was also:  A prosecution lab type witness is going to say its possible to have ahem stuff -thats all I'm going to say- on clothing even after laundered.  This witness will say normal machine washing and drying does not remove all DNA.  Could be from months ago.  That what this witness will say.  :huh:  :unsure:  

[Guest]

So will Shaq testify favorably or not vs Kobe?  :rolleyes:  
Maybe in exchange for letting him shine on Xmass day Shraq will say Kobe sat in a corner at the party and studied the bible.

Seems a fair amount of the legal gum flappers are saying the court workers leaks are quite damaging to her case.  She is allegedly talking to the Eagle Prosecuters today about whether to continue.

Can Barney Fife and Company put on a case even if she drops?  I mean i know technically the can, but would her non testimony end all chances for conviction?

An interesting new twist was also:  A prosecution lab type witness is going to say its possible to have ahem stuff -thats all I'm going to say- on clothing even after laundered.  This witness will say normal machine washing and drying does not remove all DNA.  Could be from months ago.  That what this witness will say.  :huh:  :unsure:

I thought they are able to date the samples they recieve?

[Guest_Randy]

So will Shaq testify favorably or not vs Kobe?  :rolleyes:  
Maybe in exchange for letting him shine on Xmass day Shraq will say Kobe sat in a corner at the party and studied the bible.

Seems a fair amount of the legal gum flappers are saying the court workers leaks are quite damaging to her case.  She is allegedly talking to the Eagle Prosecuters today about whether to continue.

Can Barney Fife and Company put on a case even if she drops?  I mean i know technically the can, but would her non testimony end all chances for conviction?

An interesting new twist was also:  A prosecution lab type witness is going to say its possible to have ahem stuff -thats all I'm going to say- on clothing even after laundered.  This witness will say normal machine washing and drying does not remove all DNA.  Could be from months ago.  That what this witness will say.  :huh:  :unsure:

Reality -- that "stuff" wasn't found just in the victim's underwear -- that's the reason they stated that it had to have happened AFTER the incident with Kobe -- because the "stuff" wasn't found on Kobe.  

I don't know how they think that this "damages" her case just because it's been made public -- it WAS going to be made public at some time during the case.  The prosecution was doing everything they could to bury this evidence but there is no way the defense was going to let this evidence disappear. They WERE going to make it public and they WERE to base a great deal of their case on this information.  IF the accuser had sex after the incident with Kobe, her injuries could have been sustained during that physical event.  

This information IS damaging -- but it's damaging to her whole case and credibility (esp. in a "he said/she said" case).

However, the woman IS going to get paid -- she will get a lot of money from Kobe -- the price for adulter (at least).  It's too bad we will never know the truth -- neither have been totally honest about what has happened and that's a shame.  Kobe will pay this girl a LOT of money -- and it STILL won't be enough for everything she has gone through.  It's hard to believe anyone would go through this for money -- but all the evidence just doesn't pan out with her entire story.

[Reality]

Reality -- that "stuff" wasn't found just in the victim's underwear -- that's the reason they stated that it had to have happened AFTER the incident with Kobe -- because the "stuff" wasn't found on Kobe. [/QUOTE]

The prosecution lab type witness was planning on/is going to testify that the stuff on the clothing could have been from before her Kobe encounter,  thus rendering the "No DNA of Guy X found on Kobe" moot.

I have heard nothing of it being anywhere other then her clothing.

In these high dollar cases most paid (paid off) witnesses are simply Ho's anyway.
Remember the San Diego little 7 year old Van Damne girl who was molested then murdered?  The defense lawyer knew this all along, in fact approached the city with a deal:  You spare Westerfield the death sentence, he will tell you where he dumped her body.  In a pure coincidence, volunteers found her body as Defense Slease was driving to the DAs office to cut the deal.  He called it off.  Then called in *bug expert* witnesses to show that the insects on her body made it impossible for his client to have killed the girl.  Time frame.

 :puke:   The defense lawyer was run out of San Diego Im happy to say.  Poor baby is half a million dollars richer tho.  However i have had many a conversation with other reptile D lawyers who have no problem with what he did or the fact that Westerfield could well have gone free thanks to DSlease efforts.

Its like the OJ case, and i use this example not to be polorizing but simply to make the point.  Imagine if the Defense Scheme Team and its *expert witnesses* were paid twice what they got to be on the prosecution team.   :rofl:   How their testimony would miraculously do a 180.

In advance, to any who say "its their job", get a life and grow a heart.

[westkoast]

I think the "injuries" are beside the point completly.  If she did get rapped....why would she go out and have sex with someone else after being so 'traumatized' ?

[Reality]

I think the "injuries" are beside the point completly.  If she did get rapped....why would she go out and have sex with someone else after being so 'traumatized' ?

The defense wants to use the injuries part to show multiple.  Prosecution to show Kobme force (alleged).

As to going out relatively shortly afterwords, people react to traumas diffently.  Its not set in stone that someone who is raped will not have relations for X amount of time.

Now on a lighter note.
Q.  How does the Eagle DAs office invite people over for dinner?
A.  "Opie, run on home and tell Aunt Bee we'll be having two more nice folks over for supper."

[Derek Bodner]

I think the "injuries" are beside the point completly. If she did get rapped....why would she go out and have sex with someone else after being so 'traumatized' ?

Having a few women close to me who were raped, it's not so cut and dry.

Typically, after the trauma wears off, they will sometimes go through a "loving" phase, where they will freely allow people to get close with them so they will feel loved and needed.  This "getting close" includes one night stands as well.

However, there's usually a phase where they'll avoid sexual contact all together, and that usually lasts a wee bit more than a day like it did with this girl

[WayOutWest]

Don't know how many of you guys read the transcripts vs media reports but the court transcripts state that the non-Kobe sperm, NOT SEMEN BUT SPERM, was "motile" and not on Kobe.  That blows away any "time frame" argument the DA can put forth.  

The SLEAZY DA was trying to surpress that evidence and also trying to prevent HIS OWN crime lab from testifying.  What a friggin joke, does that MORON not realize that could open up a whole can of worms?  If the DA questions the abilities of his own crime lab doesn't he realize that people convicted of rape can and will apeal their convictions on that point alone?

I also read the the DA has backed out of the case and turned it over to someone else.  That someone else could be an expert prosecutor from what I read but I'm not sure.

Kobe's gonna walk and IMO he shouldn't pay her a PENNY!  If he pays her off then he's in the same league as Micheal Jackson, paying to cover up the truth.

[westkoast]

I think the "injuries" are beside the point completly. If she did get rapped....why would she go out and have sex with someone else after being so 'traumatized' ?

Having a few women close to me who were raped, it's not so cut and dry.

Typically, after the trauma wears off, they will sometimes go through a "loving" phase, where they will freely allow people to get close with them so they will feel loved and needed.  This "getting close" includes one night stands as well.

However, there's usually a phase where they'll avoid sexual contact all together, and that usually lasts a wee bit more than a day like it did with this girl

Thats what im saying.  I know its not as cut and dry as I put it but....a day later?  If it was so traumatizing why would you go off and have sex so quickly?  I think you would still be trying to get your head straight so shortly after.  I was just speaking strickly on the time between being rapped bad and having casual sex with someone else.  Isnt casual sex what got her into this predicimate in the first place?

[Guest_Randy]

Don't know how many of you guys read the transcripts vs media reports but the court transcripts state that the non-Kobe sperm, NOT SEMEN BUT SPERM, was "motile" and not on Kobe.  That blows away any "time frame" argument the DA can put forth.  

The SLEAZY DA was trying to surpress that evidence and also trying to prevent HIS OWN crime lab from testifying.  What a friggin joke, does that MORON not realize that could open up a whole can of worms?  If the DA questions the abilities of his own crime lab doesn't he realize that people convicted of rape can and will apeal their convictions on that point alone?

I also read the the DA has backed out of the case and turned it over to someone else.  That someone else could be an expert prosecutor from what I read but I'm not sure.

Kobe's gonna walk and IMO he shouldn't pay her a PENNY!  If he pays her off then he's in the same league as Micheal Jackson, paying to cover up the truth.

WOW, civil trial is totally different than criminal trial and the fact is that, basically, all the accuser has to prove is that they had sex together -- that, Kobe has already admitted.  Then all she has to do is paint a picture of everything she has gone through since her accusation and the jury will give her tons of money.  Kobe will try and settle out-of-court to make it all go away, IMO, because it's already a foregone conclusion that she will get money from a civil trial whether she was willing or not.

[Reality]

Don't know how many of you guys read the transcripts vs media reports......... and not on Kobe.  That blows away any "time frame" argument the DA can put forth.

Why does Guy X DNA have to be on Kobe for the prosecutions case to work?   :huh:

 

[WayOutWest]

Don't know how many of you guys read the transcripts vs media reports......... and not on Kobe.  That blows away any "time frame" argument the DA can put forth.

Why does Guy X DNA have to be on Kobe for the prosecutions case to work?   :huh:

It does NOT.

But the fact that the sperm was motile proves she is a liar.

End of story IMO.

[Guest_Randy]

By-the-way, Reality, I wanted to provide a clip of the story about Kobe.  I had read before that they found "substance" on the woman -- this helps substantiate that claim.

Prosecutors have suggested the woman put on underwear that hadn't been washed before going to the hospital, transferring semen from a man identified only as "Mr. X" to her body.

The prosecution is obviously trying to say it was transferred and the prosecution isn't as interested on where it was found as to the time date of the occurance.  An event with another person before the accuser's event with Kobe would have left transferrance on Kobe as well -- that wasn't the case.  Not to mention that the substance found has a very short "shelf life."