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NBA Discussion / Re: Help, Dabods...

« on: May 26, 2011, 04:36:15 PM »

Seems to be much better.  Well worth the upgrade.

I seem to have misplaced my "Ignore" button, can you help?

Look under "profile" and  there is an ignore list.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Spurs dream season finally hits a bump...

« on: May 26, 2011, 03:10:14 PM »

Pop was named President of all things Basketball (Basketball Operations President or somesuch) in 2008.  Given the keys to the kingdom by Peter Holt in 2008.

I hate to respond to Non-Reality but when his stupidity shows up in other posters replies I get stuck.   

But Pop was "given the keys" way before 2008.  And somehow "baked" up four rings.  But then RealSpurs know that. 

From NBA.com:

returned to San Antonio on May 31, 1994, as the Spurs executive vice president of basketball operations/ general manager (served as GM for eight full seasons before turning the job over to R.C. Buford on July 1, 2002) ?

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NBA Discussion / To our Missouri friends...

« on: May 23, 2011, 11:11:03 AM »

Hope that you all  (y'all for those who speak Texan) came through the storms with yourselves, friends and family intact.  My prayers are with those who have suffered.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Lakers

« on: May 18, 2011, 10:39:10 AM »

No one deserves a ring more than the Diggler. I would love to se Dirk win a ring, hopefully it would ease the pain of being robbed last time he made it to the finals.  I would like to see the Bulls and Mavs meet in the Finals, Rose is one of my favorite players in the league.

After the Lakers, Dallas is the hardest team to root for.  I agree about Dirk, but Terry & Cuban just make me cringe when I think about them getting rings.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Lakers

« on: May 15, 2011, 07:15:45 PM »

Still lurkin' around...and I must say well said, Dan.

Oh, and hail to the new powers!  Go Thunder!  Go Bulls!

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NBA Discussion / Re: Magic/Celtics vs Lakers/Suns scheduling

« on: May 16, 2010, 10:44:21 AM »

They have to schedule based on the assumption that all series go 7 games.  Then the NBA has to schedule around other events in those arenas

Unless you truly believe Stern has each series completely mapped out at the beginning of the year and only schedules the dates absolutly needed at each arena.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 11, 2010, 02:52:51 PM »

Stern made NO COMMENT about where he thinks or wants or desires LeBron to play.  His only comment was that he hoped the CBA worked and Cleveland would retain him.

"Hopefully he'll stay," Stern said Monday before Game 2 between Cleveland and Boston in the Eastern Conference semifinals."

In saying he hopes James will stay with Cleveland he is in fact stating he thinks wants and desires Lebron to NOT play with the other 29 teams.
You cannot seriously be trying to state otherwise.

As typical, Reality, you cut just the part of the quote that you think supports your position.  I have pasted the WHOLE quote below so it can be read in context.  And I bolded Stern's words so there could be little confusion on whaat he said and commentary by the sportswriter.

"Hopefully he'll stay," Stern said Monday before Game 2 between Cleveland and Boston in the Eastern Conference semifinals. "That's the way the system is designed."

Stern helped negotiate the current collective bargaining agreement, which provides teams the ability to pay more and add an extra year for their own free agents. Stern is hopeful that will allow teams such as Cleveland to retain its stars.

"That's the way it should be," Stern said. "It allows teams to keep their own players."

He hopes that he stays in Cleveland because that is the "way the system is designed".  Because he thinks that "is the way it should be"; a system that allows "teams to keep their own players".

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 11, 2010, 01:31:57 PM »

Technically, every one of them.  And that makes his comment far, far worse.

No, it makes it definately non-tampering. Because if he is under contract to Cleveland then he is free to talk about LBJ and his choices all day long.

Here's a good example for you, though:  let's say Phil Jackson, who is under contract with the Lakers, was asked, "What do you think LeBron should do?"  And Phil, after careful thought, says, "I think he should go to the Knicks."  Jackson's not specifically involved with Cleveland, James, or New York.  But that's still tampering.  How is that different?

Because as you stated Jackson is under contract with the Lakers.  And LBJ isn't.  You can't comment on anyone who is under contract to a team different than the one you are under contract with.

In the best case, Stern represents the interests of the league as a whole.  However, the interest of a single team (for purpose of this example, let's say Milwaukee) may NOT represent the best interest of the league as a whole.  If Milwaukee is planning to pursue James, Stern's comment is directly in opposition to Milwaukee's goal of signing James.  If James stays put in Cleveland, it's better for the league, but Milwaukee could care less what's better for the league - they're supposed to be competing for their *TEAM*.  And Stern's words adversely impact them.

How did Stern's words effect them?  I would hope that the owners in Milwaukee want the CBA to work the way it was intended.   Maybe if he goes to Milwaukee and says: "I hope the CBA works and the Bucks can retain Bogut."  then you will be happy.

In the worst case, if the league is corrupt, Stern could be directing LeBron, "If you go to New York, we're going to miss out on great LeBron versus Kobe finals because New York just isn't good enough to make it to the finals right now.  That hurts us as a whole from a marketing perspective.  Cleveland's where we want them right now, and it's a franchise we can't afford to have go down the tubes."

WOW!.  Joe, that is the longest stretch I have ever seen you make.  Stern came no where close to making that comment.  Stern made NO COMMENT about where he thinks or wants or desires LeBron to play.  His only comment was that he hoped the CBA worked and Cleveland would retain him.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 11, 2010, 01:15:43 PM »

Come on Lurker I know you get the point.  If anybody from an existing team did what Stern did, Stern could have fined them, and there is a high degree of probability that he would have fined them, and the fine would have been substantial.  He fines lots of people for commenting on a number of league issues, and not small $ amounts.  He does that because he believes he is protecting the integrity of the league.  Don't comment on officiating "because that impugns the credibility of our officials, which creates a perception that our league may not be completely legit".  So it is OK for Stern to comment on things where he can and often fines other league members substantial amounts?  You don't see an inconsistency in that?  You don't see that as eventually creating a problem at some point down the road?

Yes, I get the point.  But the funny thing is that Stern made a general comment about the CBA being designed to allow teams to retain their stars and "everyone" wants to interpret that as the same thing as Stern saying LBJ should stay in Cleveland.

Also, Stern is the top dog.  The CEO.  The chairman of the board.  He sets the rules for the others to follow.  And he doesn't fine owners for saying the CBA does or doesn't do things.  He doesn't fine players for saying that their share of BRI is too low.  He fines players/owners for comments detrimental to the league.  Saying that he hopes the CBA works as designed is not detrimental to the sport.  Comparing a general comment about the CBA and criticism of the refs is like comparing hockey to figure skating.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 07, 2010, 05:19:28 PM »

From Larry Coons FAQ on the NBA CBA

94. What is tampering?
Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team to negotiate for their services. The NBA takes tampering very seriously and may impose stiff penalties if it is discovered, however the league will not investigate unless another team files tampering charges.

Mark me down as 100% in agreement with ziggy on this.

The problem is that the conduct Stern was engaged in technically falls under the category of tampering.

And what team is Stern under contract with?

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NBA Discussion / Re: Lakers/Jazz vs. Suns/Spurs schedule?

« on: May 07, 2010, 12:49:06 PM »

I figured the Spurs/Suns every other day schedule was part of the league conspiracy so the old guys in Silver/Black couldn't win.  

I think Pop put it best in the last post-game interview:

Asked if he was going to talk to the team about the Spurs beating the Hornets 2 years ago after being down 2-0; Pop said "Are you kidding?  These are grown men.  These are professionals.  I might as well talk about the Gipper as the Hornets."  May not be an exact quote but you can get the gist.  

These are professional players being paid top dollar to perform; so if there is 2 days rest, 3 days rest or no rest they are expected to perform.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 05, 2010, 04:20:39 PM »

You all have spent too much time in Randy's School for Reading Miscomprehension.

Agreed, your course in "Debate Point Switch" is much more informative.   

Well, I guess if the topic had a valid point to start with then I am guilty.

But in reading that article, Stern did not comment on LBJ's choice.  So I guess the whole thread is moot since it started with a nonsensical question based on lack of reading comprehension.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 05, 2010, 04:14:50 PM »

Stern did not comment on LBJ's choice.  He commented on the CBA and how it is designed to give teams the best chance at retaining stars.  And he said that he hopes it (CBA) works for Cleveland.

And as commissioner he has every right to say he hopes that the CBA works as planned and that stars stay with their teams.

Especially when asked by a sportswriter while attending playoff games in Cleveland to award the MVP trophy.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 05, 2010, 02:26:23 PM »

Stern said he hopes LeBron stays in Cleveland because the CBA was designed to favor teams in retaining their stars.  And Stern was a major player in forming the current CBA.

Go back and read the part of the article I posted before.  Stern did not say "LeBron must stay in Cleveland" or "I want LBJ to stay in Cleveland".  Stern DID say" the CBA is designed to help teams retain their stars.  Thus I hope Cleveland can retain its star."

You all have spent too much time in Randy's School for Reading Miscomprehension.

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NBA Discussion / Re: Should Stern be allowed to comment on Lebrons legit choice?

« on: May 04, 2010, 01:24:28 PM »

All Stern says is that hopefully LeBron will stay because (this is the important part):

Stern helped negotiate the current collective bargaining agreement, which provides teams the ability to pay more and add an extra year for their own free agents. Stern is hopeful that will allow teams such as Cleveland to retain its stars.

?That?s the way it should be,? Stern said. ?It allows teams to keep their own players.?