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YOU GO BILL COSBY! :cheers:
CBS/AP) Bill Cosby is not backing down.
The entertainer, who has long been proud of both his show biz achievements and his doctorate in education, is again urging the black community to do a better job helping themselves and their children.
Speaking in Chicago Thursday, Cosby told room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere."
He also had harsh words for struggling black men, telling them: "Stop beating up your women because you can't find a job."
Cosby spoke in Chicago at the Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition & Citizenship Education Fund.
Rev. Jesse Jackson, founder and president of the education fund, stood side by side with Cosby and defended his statements.
"Bill is saying let's fight the right fight, let's level the playing field," Jackson said. "Drunk people can't do that. Illiterate people can't do that."
Cosby made headlines in May when he upbraided some poor blacks for their grammar and accused them of squandering opportunities the civil rights movement gave them. He shot back Thursday, saying his detractors were trying in vain to hide the black community's "dirty laundry."
"Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day, it's cursing and calling each other n------ as they're walking up and down the street," Cosby said Thursday.
"They think they're hip," the entertainer said. "They can't read; they can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere."
He was clearly picking up where he left off on May 17th, when he addressed a Constitution Hall ceremony in Washington, D.C., celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education desegregation decision. Cosby at that time denounced some blacks' grammar and said those who commit crimes and wind up behind bars "are not political prisoners."
"I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby told the dignitaries at the Washington ceremony, including NAACP President Kweisi Mfume. "And then I heard the father talk ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth."
Speaking at the Rainbow/PUSH event Thursday, Cosby's comments were several times interrupted by applause. He castigated some blacks, saying that they cannot simply blame whites for problems such as teen pregnancy and high school dropout rates.
"For me there is a time ... when we have to turn the mirror around," he said. "Because for me it is almost analgesic to talk about what the white man is doing against us. And it keeps a person frozen in their seat, it keeps you frozen in your hole you're sitting in."
Cosby lamented that the racial slurs once used by those who lynched blacks are now a favorite expression of black children. And he blamed parents.
"When you put on a record and that record is yelling 'n------ this and n------ that' and you've got your little 6-year-old, 7-year-old sitting in the back seat of the car, those children hear that," he said.
He also condemned black men who missed out on opportunities and are now angry about their lives.
"You've got to stop beating up your women because you can't find a job, because you didn't want to get an education and now you're (earning) minimum wage," Cosby said. "You should have thought more of yourself when you were in high school
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And I say to all my Mexican brethren...
STOP INVESTING MONEY IN YOUR CAR STEREO'S AND HYDROLAULICS; STOP PAINTING THE VIRGIN MARY ON YOUR CAR HOODS, INVEST $$ IN YOUR HOUSE INSTEAD, AND STOP TAKING ALL THE FREE GOVERNMENT CHEESE!! :angry:
(Yes, I'm talking to you WOW and X3) :nonono: :D
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And I say to all my Mexican brethren...
STOP INVESTING MONEY IN YOUR CAR STEREO'S AND HYDROLAULICS; STOP PAINTING THE VIRGIN MARY ON YOUR CAR HOODS, INVEST $$ IN YOUR HOUSE INSTEAD, AND STOP TAKING ALL THE FREE GOVERNMENT CHEESE!! :angry:
(Yes, I'm talking to you WOW and X3) :nonono: :D
I agree with Bill 100%, his statement apply to ALL races IMO! Go Bill, it's time for SOMEBODY to bring this to the surface...
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WOW. Someone lecturing on personal responsibility other than me. Get 'em, Bill. But don't stop there. Let's talk about the personal appearance of teenagers today - black and white - wearing pants that sag, as if they can't afford things that fit, the rich white kids trying to play "ghetto" because they think it's cool...when there are people out there who CANNOT afford clothes that fit, or DESPERATELY LONG to get out of the ghetto, but don't have the money.
"Look at me; I can make myself suffer!" is a losing mentality that glorifies making yourself into a victim. It only pushes the folks out there who would care about those in need further toward apathy; they start looking at *ALL* suffering as unconcerned selfish attention-seeking.
Good job, Bill.
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LOL @ Bill Cosby.
Mr. Cosby, give your kids from your affairs ONE SINGLE RED FLOCKING CENT in child support then you can try and lecture the rest of us about parental responsibility you POS SCUM!
What a hypocritical dipstick!
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LOL @ Bill Cosby.
Mr. Cosby, give your kids from your affairs ONE SINGLE RED FLOCKING CENT in child support then you can try and lecture the rest of us about parental responsibility you POS SCUM!
What a hypocritical dipstick!
WoW, put down the hunk of gov't cheese you're gnawing on and respond to what Cosby actually said. Does it have merit?
Besides, we all know that all of his supposed illegitimate children (in a language you can understand: bastards) are not really his children. They are money-grubbing opportunists who have been shown to be unrelated to Cosby.
Actually, I don't know that for truth. I just wanted to see what it felt like to marry myself to a completely unsubstantiated statement . . . it's not all you make it out to be WoW.
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LOL @ Bill Cosby.
Mr. Cosby, give your kids from your affairs ONE SINGLE RED FLOCKING CENT in child support then you can try and lecture the rest of us about parental responsibility you POS SCUM!
What a hypocritical dipstick!
WoW, put down the hunk of gov't cheese you're gnawing on and respond to what Cosby actually said. Does it have merit?
Besides, we all know that all of his supposed illegitimate children (in a language you can understand: bastards) are not really his children. They are money-grubbing opportunists who have been shown to be unrelated to Cosby.
Actually, I don't know that for truth. I just wanted to see what it felt like to marry myself to a completely unsubstantiated statement . . . it's not all you make it out to be WoW.
Ted, Wow just wants the right thing to be done in this world, but then complains when somebody tried to get it done......and then goes off to gamble on the weekends...are you still in it Wow, or did you get bounced yet?
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Ted, Wow just wants the right thing to be done in this world, but then complains when somebody tried to get it done......and then goes off to gamble on the weekends...are you still in it Wow, or did you get bounced yet?
I think we should take it easy on WoW. The last four years of Bush have been really hard on the man. I mean, he's only got two houses in SoCal, which the FBI raid almost monthly without search warrants thanks to that damn Patriot Act that traitor bush and his SS Field Marshall Ashcroft. Sure he's thinking of buying another house, but if it weren't for friggin Bush, he'd have ten houses right now. If it weren't for his "willing-to-settle" wife and four(?) prodigies-in-the-making children, WoW would have gone off on this unfair world like a 500 megaton H-bomb long ago.
The injustice this world has heaped on WoW is staggering. I mean, the guy can only lose a Grand in poker once a week! If we had someone other than Bush in office, he'd be able to hemorrhage as much cash as he'd like, (all the while complaining about all of the people close to him who suffer poverty because of . . . well . . . whoever pissed him off last), which is the way a life in a free, advanced society should be!!
So I think it's time we lay off the guy. Life is just hard for some people.
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Hypocritical or not, Bill is right on the target with his criticism.
We live in a very twisted society where people are appreciated for things that have nothing to do with reality. I find it disturbing that children are dreaming of becoming sports heroes or rap stars, instead of Scientists, Physicists, Doctors, Engineers, Writers, Mathematicians and the like.
Why do children want to emulate the most dysfunctional members of society, instead of the productive ones? Why are they so brain dead? Why aren't their parents concerned about their values and doing something to see their influenced properly?
Dads and Moms are just as bad if not worse. They spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get their kids athletic scholarships- doing everything they can to give their kids an edge in sports, including acting like idiots in the stands getting into fights with each other and the referees. Never mind making sure their children learn to read and write and actually think for themselves!
IMO, we're a dysfunctional society getting worse and worse all the time. There are no intellectual debates anymore, there isn't even politeness. Ther debates are an attempt to drown out the opponent by talking over him, as oppossed to winning on a logical level.
All anyone seems to want anymore is to get innordinately rich so they can tell everyone else to screw off. There's no honor or respect for capable productive people. Our heroes are sports figures and movie stars, not the people who are advancing technology or our understanding of the world.
Republicans talk about morals and values, and they are sorely lacking in them. Bush lies about how well the country is doing and acts irresponsibly with taxpayes money- financing wars instead of job programs, and increasing the budget deficit, by tax giveaways to the rich, who don't need it.
And why does this happen? Because we the people are too selfish and stupid to understand how important it is to a society that we think about each other and care enough to act responsbly and do the right thing.
And WOW, are you so ignorant that you have to resort to profanity and foul language to make a point? Your behavior is making mine for me.
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I looked this up after WOW's post. Her name is Autumn Jackson. Cosby had an affair with with her mother and paid approx $40,000 a year. When the story broke it was because she threatened to expose the affair if she didn't receive $25 million. When push came to shove Cosby agreed to take a paternity test and Jackson declined.
Make of that what you will.
P.S. There are lots of other public figues who have said much the same thing. For instance nationally syndicated columnists Stanley Crouch (who is very blunt about it) and Leonard Pitts and Clarence Paige, who are a little more subtle. Heck, Spike Lee has repeatedly publicly ripped black people for thinking getting an education is selling out.
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Ted, Wow just wants the right thing to be done in this world, but then complains when somebody tried to get it done......and then goes off to gamble on the weekends...are you still in it Wow, or did you get bounced yet?
I think we should take it easy on WoW. The last four years of Bush have been really hard on the man. I mean, he's only got two houses in SoCal, which the FBI raid almost monthly without search warrants thanks to that damn Patriot Act that traitor bush and his SS Field Marshall Ashcroft. Sure he's thinking of buying another house, but if it weren't for friggin Bush, he'd have ten houses right now. If it weren't for his "willing-to-settle" wife and four prodigies-in-the-making children, WoW would have gone of on this unfair world like a 500 megaton H-bomb long ago.
The injustice this world has heaped on WoW is staggering. I mean, the guy can only lose a Grand in poker once a week! If we had someone other than Bush in office, he'd be able to hemorrhage as much cash as he'd like, which is the way a life in a free, advanced society should be!!
So I think it's time we lay off the guy.
Exactly TED!
Actually, I wouldn't get bothered if YOU lectured me on child rearing. There is something to be said about the THEORY of god and religion. It's the "practice" that's so F'd up. My kids are pretty good kids because they have a very strong moral foundation that comes from my wife and her beliefs. When it's time to hit the REAL world, the world of adults, MY "teachings" will be invaluable.
Regarding that blowhard Cosby, I just can't stand hypocrites. The Cosby booty calls are enough for me to tell him to STFU about morals.
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Man, all you guys that are dissin Bill Cosby are just plain WACK! Yo, think you need to be givin this brutha some props...I mean SERIOUSLY.
And to WOW: "WORD TO YOUR MOTHA... I'M OUT." :hail: Vanilla Ice, circa 1991.
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LOL @ Bill Cosby.
Mr. Cosby, give your kids from your affairs ONE SINGLE RED FLOCKING CENT in child support then you can try and lecture the rest of us about parental responsibility you POS SCUM!
What a hypocritical dipstick!
WoW, put down the hunk of gov't cheese you're gnawing on and respond to what Cosby actually said. Does it have merit?
Besides, we all know that all of his supposed illegitimate children (in a language you can understand: bastards) are not really his children. They are money-grubbing opportunists who have been shown to be unrelated to Cosby.
Actually, I don't know that for truth. I just wanted to see what it felt like to marry myself to a completely unsubstantiated statement . . . it's not all you make it out to be WoW.
Ted, Wow just wants the right thing to be done in this world, but then complains when somebody tried to get it done......and then goes off to gamble on the weekends...are you still in it Wow, or did you get bounced yet?
Child!
Don't lecture me about morals when you're busy banging women who aren't your wives then getting dragged into court for failure to provide child support.
Why don't you goto a Dubya Bush lecture about honesty and integrity as a public servant pendejo!
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And WOW, are you so ignorant that you have to resort to profanity and foul language to make a point? Your behavior is making mine for me.
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"Your behavior is making mine for me."
Any time you want to test brain power, just let me know. Ignorance comes from lack of knowledge, I'd put my REAL LIFE experiences and knowledge up against anyone. Other than JoMal, I've yet to be impressed by anyone's real life knowledge.
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Exactly TED!
Actually, I wouldn't get bothered if YOU lectured me on child rearing. There is something to be said about the THEORY of god and religion. It's the "practice" that's so F'd up. My kids are pretty good kids because they have a very strong moral foundation that comes from my wife and her beliefs. When it's time to hit the REAL world, the world of adults, MY "teachings" will be invaluable.
Regarding that blowhard Cosby, I just can't stand hypocrites. The Cosby booty calls are enough for me to tell him to STFU about morals.
WoW, I would never presume to lecture you on child rearing. You've got four, I've got one, and he's only 15 months. I've got a lot to learn.
And besides, I'm almost totally convinced that your online persona is a complete fabrication. I'll bet in real life you're a 6'5" 200 lb perimeter player with deep abiding faith in Jesus Christ and a strong belief in Conservative values . . . wait a minute! . . . unsubstantiated claims CAN be fun!!
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Exactly TED!
Actually, I wouldn't get bothered if YOU lectured me on child rearing. There is something to be said about the THEORY of god and religion. It's the "practice" that's so F'd up. My kids are pretty good kids because they have a very strong moral foundation that comes from my wife and her beliefs. When it's time to hit the REAL world, the world of adults, MY "teachings" will be invaluable.
Regarding that blowhard Cosby, I just can't stand hypocrites. The Cosby booty calls are enough for me to tell him to STFU about morals.
WoW, I would never presume to lecture you on child rearing. You've got four, I've got one, and he's only 15 months. I've got a lot to learn.
And besides, I'm almost totally convinced that your online persona is a complete fabrication. I'll bet in real life you're a 6'5" 200 lb perimeter player with deep abiding faith in Jesus Christ and a strong belief in Conservative values . . . wait a minute! . . . unsubstantiated claims CAN be fun!!
Actually I'm pretty much the same in real life, the problem people have with me is that I can keep a strait face when I say alot of the things I say. I'm kidding alot of times but people are never sure, it's almost impossible on here because I don't lay the sarcasm on very thick.
On the Poker note. Entered two tourney's over the weekend because I was bounced out of the first one, $500 entery, in less than 45 minutes. The second tourney was a $1K entry and I lasted to the third table before I quit. At the third table I was actually upto $7100 bucks before I started playing bad because I was tired. I had to forfeit my $1K entry to quit the tourney, which I was unaware of, so instead of going home with $2300 I went home with $1300 which was about an $800 net profit. The third table was brutal early on because there were some very good players so I just pretty much let them take each other out unless I got a very good hand and it held up through the flop.
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LOL @ Bill Cosby.
Mr. Cosby, give your kids from your affairs ONE SINGLE RED FLOCKING CENT in child support then you can try and lecture the rest of us about parental responsibility you POS SCUM!
What a hypocritical dipstick!
WoW, put down the hunk of gov't cheese you're gnawing on and respond to what Cosby actually said. Does it have merit?
Besides, we all know that all of his supposed illegitimate children (in a language you can understand: bastards) are not really his children. They are money-grubbing opportunists who have been shown to be unrelated to Cosby.
Actually, I don't know that for truth. I just wanted to see what it felt like to marry myself to a completely unsubstantiated statement . . . it's not all you make it out to be WoW.
Ted, Wow just wants the right thing to be done in this world, but then complains when somebody tried to get it done......and then goes off to gamble on the weekends...are you still in it Wow, or did you get bounced yet?
Child!
Don't lecture me about morals when you're busy banging women who aren't your wives then getting dragged into court for failure to provide child support.
Why don't you goto a Dubya Bush lecture about honesty and integrity as a public servant pendejo!
LMFAO!!
are you talking to me or Bill Cosby guey? And no, i am not a cheater.
and you never told us if you lost or are still in it, pendejo.
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LOL @ Bill Cosby.
Mr. Cosby, give your kids from your affairs ONE SINGLE RED FLOCKING CENT in child support then you can try and lecture the rest of us about parental responsibility you POS SCUM!
What a hypocritical dipstick!
WoW, put down the hunk of gov't cheese you're gnawing on and respond to what Cosby actually said. Does it have merit?
Besides, we all know that all of his supposed illegitimate children (in a language you can understand: bastards) are not really his children. They are money-grubbing opportunists who have been shown to be unrelated to Cosby.
Actually, I don't know that for truth. I just wanted to see what it felt like to marry myself to a completely unsubstantiated statement . . . it's not all you make it out to be WoW.
Ted, Wow just wants the right thing to be done in this world, but then complains when somebody tried to get it done......and then goes off to gamble on the weekends...are you still in it Wow, or did you get bounced yet?
Child!
Don't lecture me about morals when you're busy banging women who aren't your wives then getting dragged into court for failure to provide child support.
Why don't you goto a Dubya Bush lecture about honesty and integrity as a public servant pendejo!
LMFAO!!
are you talking to me or Bill Cosby guey? And no, i am not a cheater.
and you never told us if you lost or are still in it, pendejo.
scratch that, just saw your post above mine...
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and you never told us if you lost or are still in it, pendejo.
I pulled a "Lakers" and quit when the going got tough.
Guey, no joke, Asians are impossible to read in my neck of the woods. I have a hard time playing against them past the flop.
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Exactly TED!
Actually, I wouldn't get bothered if YOU lectured me on child rearing. There is something to be said about the THEORY of god and religion. It's the "practice" that's so F'd up. My kids are pretty good kids because they have a very strong moral foundation that comes from my wife and her beliefs. When it's time to hit the REAL world, the world of adults, MY "teachings" will be invaluable.
Regarding that blowhard Cosby, I just can't stand hypocrites. The Cosby booty calls are enough for me to tell him to STFU about morals.
WoW, I would never presume to lecture you on child rearing. You've got four, I've got one, and he's only 15 months. I've got a lot to learn.
And besides, I'm almost totally convinced that your online persona is a complete fabrication. I'll bet in real life you're a 6'5" 200 lb perimeter player with deep abiding faith in Jesus Christ and a strong belief in Conservative values . . . wait a minute! . . . unsubstantiated claims CAN be fun!!
Actually I'm pretty much the same in real life, the problem people have with me is that I can keep a strait face when I say alot of the things I say. I'm kidding alot of times but people are never sure, it's almost impossible on here because I don't lay the sarcasm on very thick.
On the Poker note. Entered two tourney's over the weekend because I was bounced out of the first one, $500 entery, in less than 45 minutes. The second tourney was a $1K entry and I lasted to the third table before I quit. At the third table I was actually upto $7100 bucks before I started playing bad because I was tired. I had to forfeit my $1K entry to quit the tourney, which I was unaware of, so instead of going home with $2300 I went home with $1300 which was about an $800 net profit. The third table was brutal early on because there were some very good players so I just pretty much let them take each other out unless I got a very good hand and it held up through the flop.
starting to love texas hold em ( that is what they use on celeb poker tv dont they?)
saw ian michael black go head ot head with Norm mcdonald of all people, Norm schooled him - who would have thougt. Ian held in though with some lucky hands (he had an autographed picture of david copperfield as his good luck charm and it became the running joke.) If i had the diposable income i would have entered the tourney here in SA.
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Exactly TED!
Actually, I wouldn't get bothered if YOU lectured me on child rearing. There is something to be said about the THEORY of god and religion. It's the "practice" that's so F'd up. My kids are pretty good kids because they have a very strong moral foundation that comes from my wife and her beliefs. When it's time to hit the REAL world, the world of adults, MY "teachings" will be invaluable.
Regarding that blowhard Cosby, I just can't stand hypocrites. The Cosby booty calls are enough for me to tell him to STFU about morals.
WoW, I would never presume to lecture you on child rearing. You've got four, I've got one, and he's only 15 months. I've got a lot to learn.
And besides, I'm almost totally convinced that your online persona is a complete fabrication. I'll bet in real life you're a 6'5" 200 lb perimeter player with deep abiding faith in Jesus Christ and a strong belief in Conservative values . . . wait a minute! . . . unsubstantiated claims CAN be fun!!
Actually I'm pretty much the same in real life, the problem people have with me is that I can keep a strait face when I say alot of the things I say. I'm kidding alot of times but people are never sure, it's almost impossible on here because I don't lay the sarcasm on very thick.
On the Poker note. Entered two tourney's over the weekend because I was bounced out of the first one, $500 entery, in less than 45 minutes. The second tourney was a $1K entry and I lasted to the third table before I quit. At the third table I was actually upto $7100 bucks before I started playing bad because I was tired. I had to forfeit my $1K entry to quit the tourney, which I was unaware of, so instead of going home with $2300 I went home with $1300 which was about an $800 net profit. The third table was brutal early on because there were some very good players so I just pretty much let them take each other out unless I got a very good hand and it held up through the flop.
starting to love texas hold em ( that is what they use on celeb poker tv dont they?)
saw ian michael black go head ot head with Norm mcdonald of all people, Norm schooled him - who would have thougt. Ian held in though with some lucky hands (he had an autographed picture of david copperfield as his good luck charm and it became the running joke.) If i had the diposable income i would have entered the tourney here in SA.
Did you see the thread about posters here playing together on line?
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I've yet to be impressed by anyone's real life knowledge.
"Real life" is what you make it, WayOut. It can be wonderful, terrible, uplifting, or terrifying. It's up to each person to choose their own way. From some of the stuff I've read, your "real life" experiences are things I don't want, and therefore, won't choose. I'd rather believe in the good of people when it's possible - because there are things that are worse than being a fool.
I'll be the first to admit that I've lived a sheltered life - at first, due to my parents, and later on, due to my choices. But it has been just as "real" as anyone else's. Things that are trivial bumps and bruises to you may sometimes be critical injuries to me - but it works the other way, too.
I believe in a world that is considerably better than the one shown to me on the news. I know it's out there. I've lived in it. Maybe it's my own little corner of the world, but I'm content there.
Wish I had the line from Babylon 5, by Lennier, spoken of Delenn's view of the world. He realized he had a choice, and chose to live in a different world, while protecting the world he wanted to see - the one that Delenn saw. I think it's a great view of "the real world." We see what we want to see - be it triumph or tragedy.
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I've yet to be impressed by anyone's real life knowledge.
"Real life" is what you make it, WayOut. It can be wonderful, terrible, uplifting, or terrifying. It's up to each person to choose their own way. From some of the stuff I've read, your "real life" experiences are things I don't want, and therefore, won't choose. I'd rather believe in the good of people when it's possible - because there are things that are worse than being a fool.
I'll be the first to admit that I've lived a sheltered life - at first, due to my parents, and later on, due to my choices. But it has been just as "real" as anyone else's. Things that are trivial bumps and bruises to you may sometimes be critical injuries to me - but it works the other way, too.
I believe in a world that is considerably better than the one shown to me on the news. I know it's out there. I've lived in it. Maybe it's my own little corner of the world, but I'm content there.
Wish I had the line from Babylon 5, by Lennier, spoken of Delenn's view of the world. He realized he had a choice, and chose to live in a different world, while protecting the world he wanted to see - the one that Delenn saw. I think it's a great view of "the real world." We see what we want to see - be it triumph or tragedy.
Joe,
I actually take WOW's statement as a tremendous compliment -- with WOW's skewed version of "life," I'd rather NOT impress him!
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I've yet to be impressed by anyone's real life knowledge.
"Real life" is what you make it, WayOut. It can be wonderful, terrible, uplifting, or terrifying. It's up to each person to choose their own way.
I'll be the first to admit that I've lived a sheltered life - at first, due to my parents, and later on, due to my choices.
Some of what you say is true some is not.
I had very few choices early on in life because of economics, most notably education. Believe it or not I was a pretty sharp kid but NOT book/memory smart. In every subject, except for spelling, I usually tested in the top %5 percent but my poor grades didn't really help my cause. I didn't have the option to do much other than accept the recommendations of my teachers.
Now compare that to my duaghter. She's the exact same way as me in regards to school. IMO very bright but not good at repetive tasks or memorizing tasks like spelling. She's bored. She could not get into the gifted program for three years because of her grades. So I pushed and pushed to get her tested and moved into the gifted program. It did not work for 4 long years. Finally the HORRIBLE prospect of the local Jr. High School had me look into PRIVATE education. An option not available to my parents. Meanwhile behind the scenes I found some loop holes in the gifted program. I had a shrink interview and test my daughters abilities and lo and behold she not only turns out to be gifted but HIGHLY gifted. That opened up ALOT of alternatives for her middle school education funded by state dollars. My parents being immigrants, illegal ones at that, would never even have thought of alternates to my standard education.
I grew up in a rough part of L.A. No little leagues, community centers etc.... I also chose a different path BUT that did not keep me from getting jumped, robbed and picked on early on. I had my core of friends but there was nothing we could do when we got into trouble with the local thugs unless we became thugs ourselve, which we ended up doing.
I've run the gaunlet:
been wrong end of drive by's and hold ups
pulled GTA's
gang banging
beaten up by a cop
BS degree in engineering
part of a council man's victory effort
running 5 million dollar projects all over the world
been the head of an engineering department
being a father
owning my own buisness
seen the exploitation of people all around the world
visited a camp site where you could buy children and do whatever you want to them
visited a city full of 12 year old male and femal prostitutes
had various unfriendly encounters with blacks, whites and hispanics (never had beef with asians but I do know of some asian thugs)
My experiences have jaded me quite a bit against people sitting on high horses, bigots, hand out parasites, blame my problems on some one else crowd, etc....
So there is something to be said about the CHOICES available to you and having true choice.
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Joe,
I actually take WOW's statement as a tremendous compliment -- with WOW's skewed version of "life," I'd rather NOT impress him!
OK Randy, I'm sure if it's "white" it's "all right". If it's not white it better be "made for TV good guy" minority.
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Words to live by:
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!" - Derek Bok
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I've yet to be impressed by anyone's real life knowledge.
Some of what you say is true some is not.
I had very few choices early on in life because of economics, most notably education. Believe it or not I was a pretty sharp kid but NOT book/memory smart. In every subject, except for spelling, I usually tested in the top %5 percent but my poor grades didn't really help my cause. I didn't have the option to do much other than accept the recommendations of my teachers.
Now compare that to my duaghter. She's the exact same way as me in regards to school. IMO very bright but not good at repetive tasks or memorizing tasks like spelling. She's bored. She could not get into the gifted program for three years because of her grades. So I pushed and pushed to get her tested and moved into the gifted program. It did not work for 4 long years. Finally the HORRIBLE prospect of the local Jr. High School had me look into PRIVATE education. An option not available to my parents. Meanwhile behind the scenes I found some loop holes in the gifted program. I had a shrink interview and test my daughters abilities and lo and behold she not only turns out to be gifted but HIGHLY gifted. That opened up ALOT of alternatives for her middle school education funded by state dollars. My parents being immigrants, illegal ones at that, would never even have thought of alternates to my standard education.
I grew up in a rough part of L.A. No little leagues, community centers etc.... I also chose a different path BUT that did not keep me from getting jumped, robbed and picked on early on. I had my core of friends but there was nothing we could do when we got into trouble with the local thugs unless we became thugs ourselve, which we ended up doing.
I've run the gaunlet:
been wrong end of drive by's and hold ups
pulled GTA's
gang banging
beaten up by a cop
BS degree in engineering
part of a council man's victory effort
running 5 million dollar projects all over the world
been the head of an engineering department
being a father
owning my own buisness
seen the exploitation of people all around the world
visited a camp site where you could buy children and do whatever you want to them
visited a city full of 12 year old male and femal prostitutes
had various unfriendly encounters with blacks, whites and hispanics (never had beef with asians but I do know of some asian thugs)
My experiences have jaded me quite a bit against people sitting on high horses, bigots, hand out parasites, blame my problems on some one else crowd, etc....
So there is something to be said about the CHOICES available to you and having true choice.
An impressive life's lessons resume, WOW, but I have to ask. Why are you impressed with my own real life's knowledge, as it does not compare to your own?
I am a big, white guy. I cannot say I fully understand the merits of Cosby attacking young, black kids or their parents, though I do agree with him that properly spoken language will keep you inside the business world doors once the civil rights movement goes and opens them for you. Ebonics and those who espouse its use basically are encouraging black kids to stay out of the mainstream for American success.
But beyond that, White America cannot respond to what Cosby is telling his Black fellow Americans. The issues he brings up are strictly within his own community and I am just in awe of ANY black person actually speaking up, knowing he would get skewered by other Black people still in denial to what he is saying.
I hope more people will listen to his wisdom on the subject and not dismiss him because he was in court over child support regarding a women who turned out to be one of those people he is talking about - in this case, someone who tried to extort money from a celebrity over false claims to be related to him.
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Words to live by:
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!" - Derek Bok
You know what's funny, WOW, you talk about wanting to get into a room to "debate" the issues -- and then all you do is rant, curse and call people names. I seriously doubt your ability to truly DEBATE issues rather than just rant about them.
I have seen two or three different people present information that clearly shows your posts as misinformed and untrue and you simply skate past all those issues and continue to espouse yourself as intelligent. As soon as you begin to debate the issues as presented to you rather than just call names and curse, I don't see a lot of point in even discussing issues with you.
Want another great philosophy:
People who consider themselves "intelligent" have much to learn -- people who don't, actually are in the process of learning.
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An impressive life's lessons resume, WOW, but I have to ask. Why are you impressed with my own real life's knowledge, as it does not compare to your own?
Because, with the exception of the Kings, you're able to realisticly/logically see both sides of an argument.
I respect that someone can detach themselves from THEIR side of an argument, which is why I have a growing respect for Ted.
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Words to live by:
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!" - Derek Bok
You know what's funny, WOW, you talk about wanting to get into a room to "debate" the issues -- and then all you do is rant, curse and call people names. I seriously doubt your ability to truly DEBATE issues rather than just rant about them.
I have seen two or three different people present information that clearly shows your posts as misinformed and untrue and you simply skate past all those issues and continue to espouse yourself as intelligent. As soon as you begin to debate the issues as presented to you rather than just call names and curse, I don't see a lot of point in even discussing issues with you.
Want another great philosophy:
People who consider themselves "intelligent" have much to learn -- people who don't, actually are in the process of learning.
How about you make some points or point out the one's I've "skated" around and tried to drown out with rudeness?
I don't think I've proven to any more intelligent than anyone else on this board, at the same time some of your bigoted comments have shown me that you're a notch below the rest in "experience". Having a core group of friends that are all of the same demographics and thinking that's the proof in the pudding is just as flawed a conclusion as yours about the small sample of minority demographics you've made blanket statements about.
The reason I say I would like to get you guys in a room is because nobody here would think to argue "Shaq is good just because he's big". I'm sure that's the level of intelligence across the board and not just basketball. I would truely enjoy debating with intelligent people about subjects other than sports, family and money since that's all that seems to matter when you're just trying to get by. I would probably esclude Ted from joining us because he just types alot and it makes him seem smarter and I bet he would philabuster any debate. :rofl:
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some of your bigoted comments have shown me that you're a notch below the rest in "experience".
I find this funny -- you reference me as a bigot but it was you who stated that white middle age basketball fans need white basketball players to root for -- and when I stated that isn't true, you told me I was wrong because I live in my nice picket fence world. You even stated that you can buy NBA jerseys of white "hustle" players but you couldn't buy NBA jerseys of black hustle players -- then I gave you a list of players who BROKE that rule and you promptly ignored it.
Point in case -- Pig Miller -- he was a HUGE Laker favorite -- much like Luke Walton is today, like Madsen was before him. I still remember Laker fans chanting Pig's name.
I don't have a problem with you stating that I'm shelter -- and I definately see things through different glasses than you do, I personally don't think that's a bad thing. However, I find it interesting that you are judging my "experience" based on your "experience" -- hmm, is that bigotry?
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Ah yes. The filibuster. One of my favorite tactics.
Seriously though. I start to get worried when WoW says he might possibly gain respect for me one day. :unsure:
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some of your bigoted comments have shown me that you're a notch below the rest in "experience".
I find this funny -- you reference me as a bigot but it was you who stated that white middle age basketball fans need white basketball players to root for -- and when I stated that isn't true, you told me I was wrong because I live in my nice picket fence world. You even stated that you can buy NBA jerseys of white "hustle" players but you couldn't buy NBA jerseys of black hustle players -- then I gave you a list of players who BROKE that rule and you promptly ignored it.
Point in case -- Pig Miller -- he was a HUGE Laker favorite -- much like Luke Walton is today, like Madsen was before him. I still remember Laker fans chanting Pig's name.
I don't have a problem with you stating that I'm shelter -- and I definately see things through different glasses than you do, I personally don't think that's a bad thing. However, I find it interesting that you are judging my "experience" based on your "experience" -- hmm, is that bigotry?
My opinion of you is based on your comments on this board.
While your spin doctoring is funny at times it does NOT apply to my commnets about white players in the NBA. You like to ignore HUGE portions of an argument when it doesn't suit your purpose. The WHITE debate in the NBA is backed up by ACTUAL marketing studies done by the NBA and companies like Nike/Reebook/Addidas, the results of those studies were reported by HBO for their special that featured Fisher/Madsen/Kerr and they spoke about the actual MARKET study results and their OWN personal experiences in the league regarding white players and their appeal to fans.
Your white picket fence world is not the way the rest of the world actually operates, not based on MY experience or MY opinion but by demographic studies and market research done by companies who make it their buisness to know where to target their products. To ignore this HUGE industry and the notion of actual market studies is just sticking your head in the sand of your white picket playground. The CREAM of the marketing crop is WHITE MALE between the ages of 18-45, they are the most sought after market segment in all of the buisness world. It should be obvious why and it's become obvious from market reasearch who they identify with and what type of products to send their way.
You're just living in fairy tale land if you think the majority of people in this county can look past skin color and if you don't understand marketing 101 there is really not much we can talk about.
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Ah yes. The filibuster. One of my favorite tactics.
Seriously though. I start to get worried when WoW says he might possibly gain respect for me one day. :unsure:
Darn! You just stepped on and smashed the growing little flower that was "Ted Respect". You'll have to throw some cow poo on it to help it grow again.