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PhillyArena Community => Philadelphia 76ers => Topic started by: Skates on July 27, 2008, 07:26:34 PM
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With an opt out after 5 years when he will still be only 27.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3507385 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3507385)
The market, for better or worse, is starting to sort itself out.
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So what does this bode for Iggy?
I would think it means he is going to get more than the 57 offer from last year.
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The Poster:
Why does this signing suggest that Iggy will do better than 5/57?
Both Ellis and Biedrins signed SIX year deals. Both deals average over $1 million less per year than the offer Iguodala got last year.
So...Iguodala's deal from last year is 1) shorter, and 2) for more money per year than Iguodala's deal.
In comparison to those deals, 5/57 looks pretty damn good to me.
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The Biedrins signing doesn't impact Iggy all that much but let me say this... I feel about the Biedrins' signing the same way I felt about the Dalembert signing back in the day. It won't be long until that contract is looked at as a terrible deal but like Dalembert, he can certainly improve enough to justify the cash.
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Assuming normal raises, Biedins will make lss than 9M this year. That looks about right for a promising big who has a ceiling on his game since he can't shoot FT's or jumpers.
So GS will be paying Ellis and Biedrins just shy of 18M this year.
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The Biedrins signing doesn't impact Iggy all that much but let me say this... I feel about the Biedrins' signing the same way I felt about the Dalembert signing back in the day. It won't be long until that contract is looked at as a terrible deal but like Dalembert, he can certainly improve enough to justify the cash.
If Dalembert understood his limitations better and worked more diligently at doing those things he can do even better, he would be Tyson Chandler or very close to it. Biedrins certainly has some areas to improve on, but he is 22, very productive without really any plays being run for him and seems to have a much better feel for basketball and his own game in general than Sammy does.
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Biedrins is a potentially good player, but he does not have a very high ceiling. He lacks the size to be a dominant defender, and lacks the post moves and shooting to be a dominant scorer.
I can see him improving his post moves, but his horrible FT and jump shooting suggest he will never be an effective scorer outside of 8 feet.
What he does and his age justifies his contract- I just don't ever see him being a all star big.
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When do we expect Sam will improve enough to justify the cash?
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When do we expect Sam will improve enough to justify the cash?
2012, it will happen in early December and be a harbinger of the end of days. Dalembert is the Mayan version of Gozer the Gozerian.
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So if Sam asks me if i'm a go
I
SAY
YES
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LOL! I suspect that similar threads will be written about Biedrins in 3 years time. Young, athletic big man with a lot of upside if he can just put it all together who has a huge contract.... haven't we seen this story before? :-)
Either way, I have to give Mullin some props. The Maggette contract was a bit much but the numbers for Ellis and Biedrins seem to have come in right where many thought they should be. This summer started out pretty rough for GSW with Davis leaving but he's managed to keep he two big RFAs while also signing away Turiaf and matching a deal for Azubuike.
Not that the summer league is an indication of anything but Anthony Randolph was a stud in the Summer League while the undrafted Anthony Morrow won the MVP for the Rocky Mountain League. Things could be worse in Golden State.
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Go ahead, give mulling props, i think mulling buckled and over paid everyone including probabliy turiaf :)
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He had to overpay Turiaf in order to get him away from the Lakers. I said above that I thought he overpaid Maggette but the contracts for Ellis and Biedrins so seem about right although I don't love either player. With Mullin handing out the deals, I sort of expected Ellis and Biedrins to just be maxed out.
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And like I said, I think he over paid everyone...that includes ellis and biedrins.
Paxson may be dumb but at least he's not overpaying his RFAs (yet)
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You're right... Paxson doesn't overpay his RFAs because he just trades them away from 10 cents on a dollar. John Paxson has to be in the bottom 5 of GMs in the league right now. How bad is he? His owner won't even allow him to negotiate with Luol Deng at this point. Paxson got lucky by hitting the lottery this year but given the way things have gone in the past, I wouldn't be all that shocked if we see Beasley clearly become the best player from this draft.
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Mullin is a dope.
The contracts for Ellis/Biedrins don't appear to be that bad.
I'm not sure that Maggette was the right move, Nelson will probably play him at 4.
Turiaf and Biedrins are very similar players - unskilled hustle guys. You've also got Brendan Wright, who hasn't shown to be anything different (yet). How many dollars and roster spots can you allocate to such similar players?
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Don't forget anthony randolph as well
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Don't forget anthony randolph as well
Perhaps the team name should be changed to the Golden State Twizzlers.
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The Poster:
Why does this signing suggest that Iggy will do better than 5/57?
Both Ellis and Biedrins signed SIX year deals. Both deals average over $1 million less per year than the offer Iguodala got last year.
So...Iguodala's deal from last year is 1) shorter, and 2) for more money per year than Iguodala's deal.
In comparison to those deals, 5/57 looks pretty damn good to me.
Just looking at the salary schedule this year versus last year, because it seems to me to go up every year...so although Biedrins and Iggy are two different players I would think that Iggy is worth more than just 1 million more than Biedrins whither it be for 5/6 years. Thats all I was thinking...I could be wrong...