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Rookie of the Year:
Sixth Man of the Year Award:
Coach of the Year:
Most Improved Player of the Year:
Defensive Player of the Year:
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Rookie of the Year: Kobe
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Kobe
Coach of the Year: Kobe
Most Improved Player of the Year: Kobe
Defensive Player of the Year: Kobe
WooHoo a sweep!
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Rookie of the Year: Kobe
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Kobe
Coach of the Year: Kobe
Most Improved Player of the Year: Kobe
Defensive Player of the Year: Kobe
WooHoo a sweep!
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Rookie of the Year: Durant -- he has been that good this year (although Horford has had a great year and is close. Scola has come on in the 2nd half of the season and been fantastic but he had a slow start).
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Well, Manu has this all wrapped up if you count him as a 6th man -- I'm not sure how many games you have to start in order to get removed from consideration.
Coach of the Year: Byron Scott, IMO. He and Paul have led this squad to overachieve.
Most Improved Player of the Year: I'm going to choose an unlikely candidate -- Hedo Turkoglu. Hedo is having an outstanding year -- while his minutes are up, his stats reflect even more than just the added minutes. He is definately having more of an impact than Rashard Lewis is -- perhaps defenses are focusing on Howard and Shard first allowing Hedo more space. But his rebound, ppg, assists and 3pt% have all gone up -- he is having a career year and it's showing in the Magic W/L column.
Defensive Player of the Year: I'm going with KG -- not so much because of individual stats but because of what Boston has done as a team defensively and KG is the anchor.
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Rookie of the Year: Kobe
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Kobe
Coach of the Year: Kobe
Most Improved Player of the Year: Kobe
Defensive Player of the Year: Kobe
WooHoo a sweep!
I was going to do the same thing by answering Timme D to each..and then thought, nah....then I find you beat me to the punch.... :'(
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Rookie of the Year: Kobe
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Kobe
Coach of the Year: Kobe
Most Improved Player of the Year: Kobe
Defensive Player of the Year: Kobe
WooHoo a sweep!
Realities picks:
Rookie of the Year: Manu
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Manu
Coach of the Year: Manu
Most Improved Player of the Year: Manu
Defensive Player of the Year: Manu
WooHoo a sweep!
WOW, you and Reality have far more in common than you know!
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Rookie of the Year: "The Rant", Durant
Sixth Man of the Year Award: "The Unnobly", Ginobili
Coach of the Year: The no-longer Idleman, "Adelman"
Most Improved Player of the Year: The Unhearda, "Udruh"
Defensive Player of the Year: The Namby, "Camby"
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Coach of the Year: The no-longer Idleman, "Adelman"
Homer. How can this not be Byron Scott? The BumbleBees are set up to win the West in a year that the conference is arguably the most competitive ever. If they end the season top of the West, it's hands down B Scott.
Most Improved Player of the Year: The Unhearda, "Udruh"
Homer x 2
I actually agree with all of Randy's picks so that saves me some typing.
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Rookie of the Year: Durant, unless Luis Scola turns in monster games leading to Houstons advancement in the seedings.
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Please.
Coach of the Year: Lets see how it ends. Scott, Adleman and Sloan still within striking distance of seeding change. Sloan and Utahs road record the deal killer if they finish below the other two.
Most Improved Player of the Year: I would agree Beno Undies.
Defensive Player of the Year: Bowen.
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Coach of the Year: The no-longer Idleman, "Adelman"
Homer. How can this not be Byron Scott? The BumbleBees are set up to win the West in a year that the conference is arguably the most competitive ever. If they end the season top of the West, it's hands down B Scott.
(*)Homer, you mean.
Byron got his coaching start with the Kings under........Adelman.
Big time Byron Scott fan here....
.......<okay, you have convinced me> Man, msc, you can be so persuasive with your astute arguments. You should go into poly-tics.
Most Improved Player of the Year: The Unhearda, "Udruh"
Homer x 2
(* x 2)Homer x 2
Hedo Turkoglu got his first taste of the NBA and developed his game while a Kings, under......Adelman. Big time Hedo Turkoglu fan here....
.....<DAMN.....you have convinced me again. I am weak, weak......
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WooHoo a sweep!
The question was about awards not what others will do to the Lakers in the playoffs.
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WooHoo a sweep!
The question was about awards not what others will do to the Lakers in the playoffs.
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Nice, and it ONLY took you TWO HOURS! ::)
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Rookie of the Year: Durant
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Manu
Coach of the Year: Will Doc win his second? Before Sloan gets one? IMO this is the toughest choice after MVP and I would pick Cheeks for the job he has done in Philly.
Most Improved Player of the Year: By NBA guidelines Hedo doesn't qualify...this is suppose to be an award for up & coming players. So I pick Hedo who is most deserving.
Defensive Player of the Year: IMO KG will win but I don't see any difference in his intensity between Minny and Boston. He just has a better team and better defensive asst coach in Boston. My vote goes to Duncan for lifetime achievement...just like Kobe's MVP trophy this year.
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WooHoo a sweep!
The question was about awards not what others will do to the Lakers in the playoffs.
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Nice, and it ONLY took you TWO HOURS! ::)
That's because of the time difference. I posted it two hours ago but it took that long to show up in California.
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WooHoo a sweep!
The question was about awards not what others will do to the Lakers in the playoffs.
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Nice, and it ONLY took you TWO HOURS! ::)
That's because of the time difference. I posted it two hours ago but it took that long to show up in California.
I will send Al Gore and email to let him know the internet is running slow.
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Rookie of the Year: Durant -- he has been that good this year (although Horford has had a great year and is close. Scola has come on in the 2nd half of the season and been fantastic but he had a slow start).
Sixth Man of the Year Award: Well, Manu has this all wrapped up if you count him as a 6th man -- I'm not sure how many games you have to start in order to get removed from consideration.
Coach of the Year: Byron Scott, IMO. He and Paul have led this squad to overachieve.
Most Improved Player of the Year: I'm going to choose an unlikely candidate -- Hedo Turkoglu. Hedo is having an outstanding year -- while his minutes are up, his stats reflect even more than just the added minutes. He is definately having more of an impact than Rashard Lewis is -- perhaps defenses are focusing on Howard and Shard first allowing Hedo more space. But his rebound, ppg, assists and 3pt% have all gone up -- he is having a career year and it's showing in the Magic W/L column.
Defensive Player of the Year: I'm going with KG -- not so much because of individual stats but because of what Boston has done as a team defensively and KG is the anchor.
I agree with the exception of DPOY, I don't know who I would go with on that one.
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ROY: Kevin Duh-Doo-Run-Run-Run Duh-Du-rant-rant. Hats off to Horford, though.
COY: I love me some Rick Adelman, but I just gotta go with B. Scott. NO atop the WC, who wouldn't have laughed that notion away had you told them that fact coming in.
DPOY: KG, and is there EVEN a close second . . . I mean besides Tim Duncan <sorry Lurker>
MIP: If Turkey Glue isn't your man here, quit slinging crack rocks. This is the most braindead pick since Portland had the #2 draft slot in 1984. (hey there Ziggy :P)
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ROY: Kevin Duh-Doo-Run-Run-Run Duh-Du-rant-rant. Hats off to Horford, though.
COY: I love me some Rick Adelman, but I just gotta go with B. Scott. NO atop the WC, who wouldn't have laughed that notion away had you told them that fact coming in.
DPOY: KG, and is there EVEN a close second . . . I mean besides Tim Duncan <sorry Lurker>
MIP: If Turkey Glue isn't your man here, quit slinging crack rocks. This is the most braindead pick since Portland had the #2 draft slot in 1984. (hey there Ziggy :P)
Durant
Byron Scott, though Adelman would be a good pick
KG
Travis Outlaw. Most of you haven't watched him that much, but if you want to talk about true improvement there is absolutely no question
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Byron Scott has to get COY. Adleman did a heck of a job but their defense, which was put together by Van Gundy, is really what made them a force for a while. The Hornets went from 9th to 1st. Excellent job by B Scott.
DPOY..KG no brainer.
MIP..Again Hedo like everyone else said. He has really suprised me this year. I always looked at him as a bootleg Peja from his Kings days but he has stepped it up a huge amount.
ROY..Durant barely edging over Scola. Durant's stats are going to be better regardless because he is the main focus of the Sonics right now. Scola came in for an injured Yao and played GREAT. Props to Reality (yea I said it!) for using his crystal ball to pick this guy before he hit the hard wood in the USA.
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Travis Outlaw. Most of you haven't watched him that much, but if you want to talk about true improvement there is absolutely no question
Au contraire . . . I've had the "Outlaw" on my fantasy team most of the year. I'm a big fan, but your going to tell me his improvement is more impressive than Hedo's transformation to stud. Kevin, put the sling down!
Those people from Portland, I tell ya, wouldn't know an obvious choice if it came up and bit them.
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Travis Outlaw. Most of you haven't watched him that much, but if you want to talk about true improvement there is absolutely no question
Au contraire . . . I've had the "Outlaw" on my fantasy team most of the year. I'm a big fan, but your going to tell me his improvement is more impressive than Hedo's transformation to stud. Kevin, put the sling down!
Those people from Portland, I tell ya, wouldn't know an obvious choice if it came up and bit them.
Not making the claim that Travis is better than Hedo, just that he has made a greater relative improvement. See below, I bolded the one who improved the most.
Hedo Turkoglu
Improvement in PPG from previous career high - 32.2%
Improvement in PPG over past 3 year average - 39.7%
Improvement in FG% over previous career high - 0.0% no change
Improvement in 3pt % over last 3 year average - 1.4% absolute improvement
Improvement in FT% over last 3 year average - (0.4%) absolute decline
Improvement in Rbs over best year last 3 years - 37.2%
Improvement in Ast over best year last 3 years - 53.1%
Travis Outlaw
Improvement in PPG from previous career high - 39.6%
Improvement in PPG over past 3 year average - 91.4%
Improvement in FG% over last year - 0.1% absolute decline
Improvement in 3pt % over last 3 year average - 10% absolute improvement
Improvement in FT% over last 3 year average - (0.2%) absolute decline
Improvement in Rbs over best year last 3 years - 40.6%
Improvement in Ast over best year last 3 years - 62.5%
I can't find the actual stat, but up until just a week or two ago he was leading the league in 4th qtr points for non-starters in the NBA.
The award is not "the best player who has improved a lot" it is "most improved player".
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Hedo Turkoglu
Improvement in PPG from previous career high - 32.2%
Improvement in PPG over past 3 year average - 39.7%
Improvement in FG% over previous career high - 0.0% no change
Improvement in 3pt % over last 3 year average - 1.4% absolute improvement
Improvement in FT% over last 3 year average - (0.4%) absolute decline
Improvement in Rbs over best year last 3 years - 37.2%
Improvement in Ast over best year last 3 years - 53.1%
Travis Outlaw
Improvement in PPG from previous career high - 39.6%
Improvement in PPG over past 3 year average - 91.4%
Improvement in FG% over last year - 0.1% absolute decline
Improvement in 3pt % over last 3 year average - 10% absolute improvement
Improvement in FT% over last 3 year average - (0.2%) absolute decline
Improvement in Rbs over best year last 3 years - 40.6%
Improvement in Ast over best year last 3 years - 62.5%
I can't find the actual stat, but up until just a week or two ago he was leading the league in 4th qtr points for non-starters in the NBA.
The award is not "the best player who has improved a lot" it is "most improved player".
Beno Udruh
Improvement in PPG from previous career high - 215.25%
Improvement in PPG over past 3 year average - 242.68%
Improvement in FG% over previous career high - 0.4%
Improvement in FG% over last 3 year average - 3.63% absolute percentage improvement
Improvement in 3pt % over last 3 year average - 4.77% absolute percentage improvement
Improvement in FT% over last 3 year average - 4.37% absolute percentage improvement
Improvement in Rbs over best year last 3 years - 309.1%
Improvement in Ast over best year last 3 years - 258.8%
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Travis Outlaw. Most of you haven't watched him that much, but if you want to talk about true improvement there is absolutely no question
Au contraire . . . I've had the "Outlaw" on my fantasy team most of the year. I'm a big fan, but your going to tell me his improvement is more impressive than Hedo's transformation to stud. Kevin, put the sling down!
Those people from Portland, I tell ya, wouldn't know an obvious choice if it came up and bit them.
Not making the claim that Travis is better than Hedo, just that he has made a greater relative improvement. See below, I bolded the one who improved the most.
Hedo Turkoglu
Improvement in PPG from previous career high - 32.2%
Improvement in PPG over past 3 year average - 39.7%
Improvement in FG% over previous career high - 0.0% no change
Improvement in 3pt % over last 3 year average - 1.4% absolute improvement
Improvement in FT% over last 3 year average - (0.4%) absolute decline
Improvement in Rbs over best year last 3 years - 37.2%
Improvement in Ast over best year last 3 years - 53.1%
Travis Outlaw
Improvement in PPG from previous career high - 39.6%
Improvement in PPG over past 3 year average - 91.4%
Improvement in FG% over last year - 0.1% absolute decline
Improvement in 3pt % over last 3 year average - 10% absolute improvement
Improvement in FT% over last 3 year average - (0.2%) absolute decline
Improvement in Rbs over best year last 3 years - 40.6%
Improvement in Ast over best year last 3 years - 62.5%
I can't find the actual stat, but up until just a week or two ago he was leading the league in 4th qtr points for non-starters in the NBA.
The award is not "the best player who has improved a lot" it is "most improved player".
Some other numbers to look at
Hedo
20% increase in minutes played
19 pp 36 minutes
Increase in p/36 minutes compared to previous career high negative 0.2
Increase over last year 23.4%
Increase in rebound rate 18%
Increase in 3 pointers attempted 11%, with a 1.4% absolute improvement
Change in turnovers 61% increase from 1.8 to 2.3 to 2.9
Travis
Increase in minutes played 16%
Points per 36 minutes 17.9
Increase in in p/36 minutes compared to previous career high 18%
Increase in rebound rate 18%
Increase in 3 pointers attempted 71% with an improvement from 27% to 40%, or 13% absolute imporvement
Change in turnovers 1.0 to 1.3 per game
Hedo's standard deviation of absolute points per game was 6.31
Travis's standard deviation of absolute points per game was 6.26
That means Travis was slightly more consistent in his performance.
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So far all offensive numbers.
Is defense part of the equation?
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So far all offensive numbers.
Don't get Kevin started on that, especially since Travis Outlaw is a better defender than Hedo Turkoglu.
I understand that purely from a mathematical analysis, Travis Outlaw has undergone quite an improvement, larger than Hedo's. Yet this stems from the inherent bias that rewards a minor role player ascending to Top 5 option, before rewarding the solid role players that ascend to team leader--a #1 or #2 guy on a team.
Most year's I would agree with the selection of that minor player carving out an important and productive niche. This year, though, Hedo becoming Orlando's offensive initiator, most versatile scorer, and best clutch performer overshadows Outlaw's ascension to important role player. I don't think Hedo should be punished for being a solid role player in the past.
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Not that I think he is in the running for MVP award, but does it seem strange to anyone else just how little press Amare Stoudemire is getting. When he had the year 3 years ago, people were anointing him one the very few dominant big men for the next decade. By almost all accounts, he has surpassed that year and is having his finest season as a pro, yet nothing from anybody. Weird.
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I don't think this is a fair comparison -- Hedo is currently a starter and has been in the past -- Outlaw has had a great year and vast improvement but he is still coming off the bench.
Hedo: (as a starter in his 8th year in the NBA)
FG% - best of career - 45%
3pt% - 2nd best of career - 40%
Reb - best of career - 5.8
Ass - best of career - 4.9
PPG - best of career - 19.7
Outlaw: (coming off the bench in his 5th year in the NBA)
FG% - 4th best of career - 43%
3pt% - best of career - 40%
Reb - best of career - 4.5
Ass - best of career - 1.3
PPG - best of career - 13.2
Outlaw deserves props but I still think that Hedo has him beat. Hedo plays more minutes but he has earned them this year. I think it's harder to get points as a starting unit than a bench unit. That's why I think Hedo deserves the nod.
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Come on Ziggy -- you can't choose the whole Blazer team for Most Improved -- it's supposed to be one player!
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COY----Sloan, not that my man Scott doesn't deserve consideration but I take the opposing view that Utah?s phenomenal home record offsets their substandard road numbers, that and despite that road record, they have been dangerous and competitive all year long, Sloan?s team is a legit WC title contender, more than NO, and Scott has done an incredible job. This was indeed a tough choice, I love Byron Scott.
ROY----Durant, case closed.
MIP----Why all the fuss? Hedo has become what he always could have been, a solid 2-3 option on a pretty healthy front court, more overall impact on Orlando?s success than Lewis and a great pressure reliever for Howard. His PPG and assists are notable and he is thriving in Orlando?s offense.
DPY----Tough call, I hate all things Boston but Garnett cannot be ignored. I would like to say Camby but Kevin has had more of an impact on Boston?s defense and I don?t understand why a team with Kenyon Martin AND Marcus Camby are battling for 8th spot in the West, so I guess I go with Garnett.
6th Man----DUH!!!! (That?s how Manu will react when they give him the award)
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Come on Ziggy -- you can't choose the whole Blazer team for Most Improved -- it's supposed to be one player!
Why the hell not????
In all seriousness I would be happy with either, I only posted this just so everybody could see what the Blazers did for LA. I still believe either would be a better choice than Hedo, but hey one mans opinion.
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Actually, I would come closer to buying into Aldridge for MIP but I think a lot of that comes from added minutes. I got a chance to see him play though and if Oden can keep healthy, the Blazers are going to have a very good team in the future.