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MSNBC Community => Fantasy NBA League => Topic started by: SPURSX3 on February 21, 2007, 12:06:55 AM
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I posted something about firefox on general discussion. Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?
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What is the problem with the very overrated Firefox X3?
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I posted something about firefox on general discussion. Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?
What was the something? I don't see anything on the General Board....
/me is afraid to ask Laker Fan what he prefers.
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I posted something about firefox on general discussion. Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?
What was the something? I don't see anything on the General Board....
/me is afraid to ask Laker Fan what he prefers.
I've been using Firefox for a couple of months now and I'm not impressed, I prefer IE 7.
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I posted something about firefox on general discussion. Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?
What was the something? I don't see anything on the General Board....
/me is afraid to ask Laker Fan what he prefers.
Derek, I run both IE 7 and whatever version Firfox throws at you on a daily basis side by side. While I am hardly a huge fan of Mr. Gates and his underwhelming browser, Firefox is slower, more cumbersome and irritating that almost any version of IE I have used concurrently with FF.
FF has in inordinately slow load and refresh rate, throws 900 million updates at you on a daily basis, hits me with tons of script errors, and is ridiculously cumbersome and non-intuitive to tweak and set up to suit my personal preferences. It errors out just as frequently as IE (although reloading a lost session when it does shut down is a neat feature).
IE 7 may not be the be all end all browser, but it is faster, more user friendly, more intuitve to set up and updates in the background whereas I cannot get FF to do so no matter how hard I try.
I do use them both but when I need speed and quicker navigation, IE is superior (I hate saying that about a Microsoft product)
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How many of those script/html errors are you getting because people are not following standards and just writing for IE?
Its true Firefox does bog down if you leave it open for an extended amount of time but there are ways to fix that. I'd imagine they would patch up the memory leak soon.
As for IE7? I think its a piece of crap personally. Everything that is in IE7 has been around in Firefox and Opera for YEARS. I dont think IE7 is noticeably faster then Firefox either. I use Firefox in Ubuntu and it screams for me personally.
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I use Firefox in Ubuntu and it screams for me personally.
I run Firefox in the good ole USA, not in podunk Africa, and it runs pretty slow for me.
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I've messed around with Firefox here and there and honestly haven't noticed much of a time lag and it seems more secure.
It seems a lot of the java scripts and trojans that infect your machine don't affect Firefox since they're written for IE 7. Computer people, is this the right or wrong way of thinking about that. Since I really have no idea what I'm talking about.
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I've messed around with Firefox here and there and honestly haven't noticed much of a time lag and it seems more secure.
It seems a lot of the java scripts and trojans that infect your machine don't affect Firefox since they're written for IE 7. Computer people, is this the right or wrong way of thinking about that. Since I really have no idea what I'm talking about.
That could be correct, same reason Mac's are not hit by alot of viruses as well, nobody cares enough to write a virus for a Mac. Same reason no team in the NBA gets hyped to beat the Clippers.
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That could be correct, same reason Mac's are not hit by alot of viruses as well, nobody cares enough to write a virus for a Mac. Same reason no team in the NBA gets hyped to beat the Clippers.
most virii on windows could be avoided if people wouldn't sign on and run their applications as privileged accounts. That is a problem that is unique to windows and not really prevalent in other operating systems.
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That could be correct, same reason Mac's are not hit by alot of viruses as well, nobody cares enough to write a virus for a Mac. Same reason no team in the NBA gets hyped to beat the Clippers.
most virii on windows could be avoided if people wouldn't sign on and run their applications as privileged accounts. That is a problem that is unique to windows and not really prevalent in other operating systems.
Do you mean log in as a guest or user instead of an admin?
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Yes.
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Yes.
What do other OS's do, Unix and VMS were the same from what I remember. I don't see that as a drawback from the OS, it's more of an implementation issue. A gun is great unless you point it at yourself and pull the trigger. I'd rather have the user account access feature than not, how do "other" OS's handle privileges?
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Back when i was forced to use windows for work, I created two accounts. One as an administrator, one as a regular user. I'd login to the workstation as the regular user, then if I need to install something or do something else administratively, I'd use "run as".
*nix's work the same way. The user you login as is a regular, unprivileged user. You can use "sudo" to run an application as root, which you will need to provide your password in order to do so.
The problem is, if you're running IE as a privileged user, and IE is exploited, that exploit is then run as an administrator. That leaves open to infinitely more damage that can be done to your computer. Combine that with XP's primitive permissions structure, and it's a recipe for disaster. Logging in as an administrator is by far the most easily correctable security hole, and Microsoft never even attempted steer users in a safe direction. Vista has taken steps to correct this (which is why you're prompted before Vista does anything), but it's still a mess.
For example, if an application gets exploited in Linux, and it was running as my user, they may be able to delete my personal files, but in no way can they delete/modify system folders or binaries. Gaining access is essentially useless (unless your goal was to gain my password file for those XXX sites).
like I said, combine that with windows file permissions, and the lack of any worthwhile firewall that comes with it (which you have to then go to 3rd party vendors), and the piss poor update mechanism, and it's a bad combination.
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I guess that might be a problem for the "home" flavor of Windows. I typically have several account levels at home, I run XP Pro. Lowest level for my kids, they need me to do pretty much anything new, otherwise they can use the PC without incident and without complaint. You can use the default permission level or customize to your hearts content. I don't think 3rd party software is a bad thing, there are tons of cool things out there by third parties. If I wanted a fisher price dumb and go PC I'd buy my kids a Mac, it's a very well integrated product, everything from PC to MP3 is really smooth, then again so is a Playstation.
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I guess that might be a problem for the "home" flavor of Windows
No, it's a problem with all flavors of XP (and anything before it).
I don't think 3rd party software is a bad thing, there are tons of cool things out there by third parties
3rd party software is great. It's what linux is built on. But whereas linux distributions will come shipped with iptables and apparmor/selinux by default, windows relies on windows firewall by default. Which is putrid.
If I wanted a fisher price dumb and go PC I'd buy my kids a Mac, it's a very well integrated product, everything from PC to MP3 is really smooth
Apple's business practices are just about as bad as Microsoft's. But from a technological standpoint, they aren't "dump". They're built on a FreeBSD base, and rank with Sun Solaris, IBM AIX and HP-UX as the only certified Unix's.
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Derek's point about using a different account for "admin" and for "normal use" is very valid. However, if you're the technical user, it gets annoying having to switch back and forth. And, of course, some software pretty much requires that you be administrator on your local box.
I don't think that Windows security is "dumb" as much as it is "unused," at least when you're in an AD domain (like I've set up here at home). Of course, you can't do what you really ought to unless you're running XP Pro rather than XP Home for your workstations.
The one area where Windows really falls down at is as an FTP server. Windows FTP server is WAY too easily exploited - so much so that I stopped using it, and specifically worked up a Linux box (and believe me, I'm barely able to do anything on a Linux server in terms of configuration) to replace it. One of the best choices I ever made. I also use the Linux server as a mail front-end...although it moved behind a different server (via folks called NoIP.com), and now, I've reduced spam to next to nothing between their front end and the Linux box in front of the Exchange server. But ultimately, there is that Exchange Server...I actually *LIKE* Exchange. I make use of the Public Folders extensively - for example, for the fantasybball e-mail address you guys use. Doing things that way allows me to get rid of any vendor who decides to distribute the address I give him. It's a little disconcerting to a vendor when they ask me my e-mail address, and I tell them it's their_company_name@joev.com. And if I get junk mail...guess who distributed the address. I then deactivate the address, and the vendor loses any future business.
I also have VPN connections set up with Skander and Caleb, so we're actually one big private network through the internet. Makes it easy to share files, music, etc. They've even got the ability to print to my color laser.
The downside is that there's a bit of work to make sure it stays up, and works as appropriate. Then again, that's part of the computer-geek side of me...messing with the network is kind of fun. At least sometimes.
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However, if you're the technical user, it gets annoying having to switch back and forth. And, of course, some software pretty much requires that you be administrator on your local box.
Right click > Run as got me through 99% of my problems without having to logout and login. You can even "run as" explorer to bring up control panel options without having to logout.
for sharing, I've gotten great use out of a samba server. Then you could mount them as cifs shares, or ftp into them.
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Right click > Run as got me through 99% of my problems without having to logout and login. You can even "run as" explorer to bring up control panel options without having to logout.
I assume that doesn't work for a "User" trying to "Run as" an "Administrator". So I assume that's only a useful feature for someone with Admin rights.
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You run as a different user. If you have the login credentials for the administrator, the user can run that program as that administrator.