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MSNBC Community => Fantasy NBA League => Topic started by: Lurker on September 20, 2005, 08:42:27 AM
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I select Vince Carter & Emeka Okafor.
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Well, this doesn't need to be done until many weeks, you realize that?
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Yes. But unless one of them mysteriously breaks a leg in the next 3 weeks I'll keep the same choices. And there is no purpose in keeping it secret for that time. In fact the sooner the better in that it allows people to start seeing who is available.
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Lurker,
I feel the same way.
I'm keeping Tim Duncan and Steve Nash. This exhausts their eligibility.
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i cant even remember my roster past Kobe Bryant...he is a keeper of course.
does anyone have the old rosters? I cant think of anyone else that was memorable enough to keep, but would like to look it over .
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K. Bryant (LAL - SG)
B. Davis (GS - PG)
P. Gasol (Mem - PF)
M. Ginobili (SA - SG)
Ku. Thomas (NY - FC,PF)
L. Sprewell (Min - GF)
B. Gordon (Chi - G)
R. Davis (Bos - GF)
A. HoustonIL (NY - SG)
V. Radmanovic (Sea - PF)
S. Swift (Mem - FC)
G. Giricek (Uta - GF,SG)
E. Boykins (Den - PG)
BTW X3, you're up in selecting your slot.
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Garnett
McGrady
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ok d, i will go select right now then,
keepers are Kobe and Manu (didnt want to pick two SG's but considering the performances of last years squad I feel most comfortable with these two...)
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Wow, passing up on Baron Davis? IF this guy can get healthy, he is going to kick butt at GS (well, at least statwise). Don't have a clue on his health but he should do much better in GS than he did in NO.
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In keeping with the current trend (I'm all about giving into peer pressure), I'll announce my intentions of keeping ... drum roll, please ... Amare Stoudemire and Dwight Howard.
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I lost my roster list but I think I'm going with Yao and Shaq. If I find my sheet I might change my mind, doubt it though.
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S. O'Neal (Mia - C)
Y. Ming (Hou - C)
C. MaggetteIL (LAC - GF)
C. Billups (Det - PG)
T. Parker (SA - PG)
J. HowardIL (Hou - F)
E. Jones (Mia - GF,SG)
C. Atkins (LAL - PG)
T. Thomas (NY - F)
J. Jackson (Pho - GF)
C. Butler (LAL - SF)
J. Smith (Atl - GF,SF)
B. Cardinal (Mem - F)
O. Harrington (Chi - PF)
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S. O'Neal (Mia - C)
Y. Ming (Hou - C)
C. MaggetteIL (LAC - GF)
C. Billups (Det - PG)
T. Parker (SA - PG)
J. HowardIL (Hou - F)
E. Jones (Mia - GF,SG)
C. Atkins (LAL - PG)
T. Thomas (NY - F)
J. Jackson (Pho - GF)
C. Butler (LAL - SF)
J. Smith (Atl - GF,SF)
B. Cardinal (Mem - F)
O. Harrington (Chi - PF)
Thx, that was pretty close. I found my spread sheet, it varies slightly but not with anyone who matters.
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Hey Derek can you post my roster list, I don't think it much matters but I just want to see.
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A. KirilenkoIL (Uta - F,PF)
M. Redd (Mil - SG)
K. Hinrich (Chi - G,PG)
C. BoozerIL (Uta - PF)
B. Barry (SA - G)
K. Van Horn (Dal - SF)
G. HillIL (Orl - SF)
P. Brezec (Cha - C)
M. Peterson (Tor - GF)
A. Iguodala (Phi - GF,SF)
J. Przybilla (Por - C)
R. Patterson (Por - SF)
J. Smith (NO - SG)
R. ArtestNA (Ind - SF)
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does anyone have my roster from last season? sorry to be an annoyance . . .
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Heh, don't worry about it. You're about the 5th person to ask for it :)
P. Pierce (Bos - SG)
B. Wallace (Det - FC,PF)
C. Webber (Phi - PF)
M. Bibby (Sac - PG)
R. Jefferson (NJ - SF)
S. Jackson (Ind - GF)
E. CurryIL (Chi - C)
D. Stoudamire (Por - PG)
D. Miles (Por - GF)
D. Mason (Mil - GF)
R. LaFrentz (Bos - FC)
M. Williams (Mil - PG)
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great--thanks . . .
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Shawn Marion
LeBron James
B)
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Shawn Marion
LeBron James
B)
*BOO*
Just kidding. I almost feel like I'm Bart from that one early episode of "The Simpsons." He and Milhouse are picking sides for a baseball or softball game and Milhouse keeps picking all of these major leaguers who walk by. "I'll take Ken Griffey Jr." DOH!
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Elton Brand and Dwayne Wade.
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Jermaine O'Neal and Allen Iverson
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Wow, passing up on Baron Davis? IF this guy can get healthy, he is going to kick butt at GS (well, at least statwise). Don't have a clue on his health but he should do much better in GS than he did in NO.
Randy, I thought about it. like i said I didnt like keeping two SG's. but I put faith in Baron for two seasons now and he has broken down on me each season, Maybe he will stay healthy, but I can't take that chance.
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Andrei Kirilenko
I've definitely gotta keep my boy, that slinky russian mohawk sportin' AK-47.
Good luck on the DPOY and fingers crossed you don't get injured.
...and as much as I hate to do this after days of agonizing (seriously Bods-that's why its taken me this long), *agonizing* between Artest/Redd or outthinkin' myself with a Hinrich pick, I've decided to go with the guy who'll probably miss another 75 games due to conduct detrimental. That's right Ron Ron, come on board.......oh lord. :huh:
Ron Artest
-Kirilenko's eligibility is now exhausted
-Artest's is good for 1 more offseason.
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Andrei Kirilenko
I've definitely gotta keep my boy, that slinky russian mohawk sportin' AK-47.
Good luck on the DPOY and fingers crossed you don't get injured.
...and as much as I hate to do this after days of agonizing (seriously Bods-that's why its taken me this long), *agonizing* between Artest/Redd or outthinkin' myself with a Hinrich pick, I've decided to go with the guy who'll probably miss another 75 games due to conduct detrimental. That's right Ron Ron, come on board.......oh lord. :huh:
Ron Artest
-Kirilenko's eligibility is now exhausted
-Artest's is good for 1 more offseason.
Artest's is good for 1 more offseason.
Hate to correct you, Skander, but I think this is probably more accurate:
Artest is good for 1 more explosion.
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So we're just waiting on Ziggy, WoW and Cord.
Here's the current list:
http://fantasy.phillyarena.net/index.php?p...per_eligibility (http://fantasy.phillyarena.net/index.php?page=keeper_eligibility)
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So let's see...
Next year's draft will have KG, McGrady, TD, JO, Kirilenko, Kobe, Shawn Marion, LeBron James, Pierce, Shaq and Dirk in it.
Slightly more top heavy than this year. Might be the year to tank.
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Slightly more top heavy than this year. Might be the year to tank.
...yeah, but the attempt would be transparent and the culprit would be ridiculed incessantly as a desperate, pathetic loser before ultimately being kicked out of the league by our esteemed commissioner.
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Slightly more top heavy than this year. Might be the year to tank.
...yeah, but the attempt would be transparent and the culprit would be ridiculed incessantly as a desperate, pathetic loser before ultimately being kicked out of the league by our esteemed commissioner.
Desperate? Pathetic?
How dare you call me such things! :ph34r: :couch: :force:
(By the way, that last icon has nothing to do with my post. However, I'm such a huge Star Wars fan that when I saw it just now for the first time, I flipped out.)
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And with those 11 guys and only 12 teams....everyone except the 12th slot will get one. And if you add Yao to the list then there are 12 players.
So tanking does not seem necessary....just avoid winning the championship. 2nd place will still get a solid player.
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So tanking does not seem necessary....just avoid winning the championship. 2nd place will still get a solid player.
The difference between Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce/JO is substantial. If I'm on the cusps of the players (where if you make the playoffs you can get the 12th pick, and if you miss the playoffs you can get the first pick), you're darned sure that's crossing my mind. and IMO that's the biggest issue I see with Joe's proposal. Because of the fact that most of the top tier of keepers was take in round one, we will continually be hurt by our draft position in these subsequent stocked years.
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I actually have a comment on this, but I need to wait until keepers are finalized before making it.
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Amare's available next year as well.
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Amare's available next year as well.
Actually there could be up to 17 "keepers" available. Nash, Brand, Yao, BWallace, Allen are all free agents.
In some ways it could be better to have the 12 & 13 picks or 11 & 14 picks.
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Dbods,
Okay, let me give you two scenarios -- one is yours where a GM tanks to get a chance at TD (wow, that's kind like what the real Spurs did, huh?). So how much fun is the year of fantasy basketball for him? The second scenario is where a GM is doing poorly (and this DID happen this year) because he has second rate starters (mainly because of the position he was in the draft this year). That GM, if he is stuck longterm, might lose interest in our league -- I'm much more concerned about the guys on the bottom losing interest longterm than I am about someone tanking the season just to get a better draft slot.
There are going to be enough guys available -- if someone wants to tank the season to get a shot at TD or KG then he's robbing himself more than he is robbing us -- just my opinion.
Of course, there are going to be people tanking the season every year -- Ted and WOW are great examples of that!
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Randy, a guy with a legit chance at a championship isn't going to tank.
But what about a guy who's had rotten injury luck. He's sitting at 6th, 2 games ahead of 7th. He has no chance for the playoffs. Both of his keepers expire and next year he'll be left with nothing. What's his incentive to not tank?
Things are never that cut and dry.
We have an overabundance at the top of the draft this coming year. And people in a poor draft position will be hurt just like they were last time we drafted.
We are still a long way from being perfect.
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Of course, there are going to be people tanking the season every year -- Ted and WOW are great examples of that!
Well I made the playoffs a year ago, the first year I had no idea what I was doing. This year I didn't have the time nor the ability to manage my team. Checked in about twice a week.
Hopefully this year I'll have more time and better luck. I'd consider my self really lucky if I got on the good side of the most one-sided trade in our league history. Joe V is one lucky bastard.
I'm somewhat insulted to be grouped with Ted...dam you, dam you all!
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I lost my roster list but I think I'm going with Yao and Shaq. If I find my sheet I might change my mind, doubt it though.
Nothing has changed, the twin towers are going to be my guys unless something drastic happens.
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There's still a flaw in this line of thinking, guys. I'll point it out soon.
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I'm somewhat insulted to be grouped with Ted...dam you, dam you all!
Geez guys . . . :cry:
I really tried last year. It just so happens that my "tanking" took place in the draft. Brent Barry in the fourth round!!!?? :puke:
The first year, when I was out of it and had no chance, I did indeed "tank." I traded Steve Francis and half my team to Ziggy for LeBron. And it was worth it . . . or it would have been if I hadn't sucked up last season's draft so bad. But look at me now. According to last season's rankings for Yahoo, I have two of the top three players in the league, and the first pick. I'm planning on competing this year. Next year is, of course, going to be ugly. But then again, If I have injuries or once again pull a bonehead draft strategy, I may have to consider tanking for that draft spot. B)
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Ted,
If you don't mind me asking, if this were a 3-keeper league, who would your third keeper be? I don't have your roster from last year.
Joe
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DON'T ASNWER TED, IT'S A TRAP!
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I think I will go with Dirk Nowitski and Larry Hughes.
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Ted,
If you don't mind me asking, if this were a 3-keeper league, who would your third keeper be? I don't have your roster from last year.
Joe
No idea. Don't even remember the rest of my team. That's how bad my draft was.
And besides. I'm keeping my sleek, furry little head inside my arctic air hole. I know your big stinking paws of death are waiting to club me.
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So Bods, are you going to select Cord's keepers if he doesn't get on here and declare them tomorrow on Sunday??
I'm thinkin Paul Pierce and Ben Wallace, but I don't know what he's thinkin'.
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here are my keepers:
stoudamire
bibby
just kidding,
pierce
bibby
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don't forget to sign up for the league.
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Cord *IS* signed up, Derek. It's LTTK - our reigning champion - who hasn't signed up yet.
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ahh....oops :P
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Okay, now that keepers have been finalized:
For managers with top draft picks, there's an interesting opportunity: keep your stars longer by allowing them to go through the draft. This year is an interesting case in point. Had Ted had another keeper-type talent, he could have NOT declared LeBron James as a keeper. When James went through the draft, and was selected #1 by Ted, his eligibility would have been reset. In other words, Ted would have had him this coming year via the draft, the year after that by keeping him the first time, and the year after that by keeping him the second time.
So, as you can see, as the league ages, it's NOT going to be the same folks in the draft every third year. It's simply that we're at the start of the league, and the projected top 6 or 7 from two years ago is essentially the same top 6 or 7 next year. THAT WILL CHANGE over time, especially as managers start to take risks.
Over time, things will even out. For example, Derek had 3 bona-fide keepers coming into this off-season: Garnett, McGrady, and Kidd. That is the other factor that will even things out - acquisitions of top-level players. Our league doesn't do MUCH of it, but it does happen, and as it happens, it will balance things out.
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Okay, now that keepers have been finalized:
For managers with top draft picks, there's an interesting opportunity: keep your stars longer by allowing them to go through the draft. This year is an interesting case in point. Had Ted had another keeper-type talent, he could have NOT declared LeBron James as a keeper. When James went through the draft, and was selected #1 by Ted, his eligibility would have been reset. In other words, Ted would have had him this coming year via the draft, the year after that by keeping him the first time, and the year after that by keeping him the second time.
So, as you can see, as the league ages, it's NOT going to be the same folks in the draft every third year. It's simply that we're at the start of the league, and the projected top 6 or 7 from two years ago is essentially the same top 6 or 7 next year. THAT WILL CHANGE over time, especially as managers start to take risks.
Over time, things will even out. For example, Derek had 3 bona-fide keepers coming into this off-season: Garnett, McGrady, and Kidd. That is the other factor that will even things out - acquisitions of top-level players. Our league doesn't do MUCH of it, but it does happen, and as it happens, it will balance things out.
DAMMIT . . .
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This has a pretty easy remedy, finalize keepers before declaring the draft order.
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Well, it's really not that easy.
Because we allow people to chose their slot, that takes time. Unless we can get guaranteed response time next year, we either have to:
a) declare keepers LONG before the season, meaning an Amare type situation could prove devastating.
b.) start the selection process late, potentially having people not select
c) not select your draft position
I'm not sure I entirely like any of them, but may just go with b since most people just select the highest position, and I'll just default to that.
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a) declare keepers LONG before the season, meaning an Amare type situation could prove devastating.
I guessed I missed it, what's the Amare situation?
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Amare might have season-ending knee surgery. Its been bothering him all summer he says.
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Amare might have season-ending knee surgery. Its been bothering him all summer he says.
Wow, hadn't heard it was season-ending, just that it's been keeping him out of scrimmages.
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To clarify, they aren't saying it's season ending, they say that it would take him out for a prolonged part of the season (like maybe until Christmas or the All-Star break I'm guessing).
It actually hasn't kept him out of scrimmages, yet. They do heat therapy on it in the mornings and he plays in the afternoons. Here's the clip I've read:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjaX...ov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjaXM7_3rdNhd_jUcAGzGHa8vLYF?slug=ap-suns-stoudemire&prov=ap&type=lgns)
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Okay, now that keepers have been finalized:
For managers with top draft picks, there's an interesting opportunity: keep your stars longer by allowing them to go through the draft. This year is an interesting case in point. Had Ted had another keeper-type talent, he could have NOT declared LeBron James as a keeper. When James went through the draft, and was selected #1 by Ted, his eligibility would have been reset. In other words, Ted would have had him this coming year via the draft, the year after that by keeping him the first time, and the year after that by keeping him the second time.
So, as you can see, as the league ages, it's NOT going to be the same folks in the draft every third year. It's simply that we're at the start of the league, and the projected top 6 or 7 from two years ago is essentially the same top 6 or 7 next year. THAT WILL CHANGE over time, especially as managers start to take risks.
Over time, things will even out. For example, Derek had 3 bona-fide keepers coming into this off-season: Garnett, McGrady, and Kidd. That is the other factor that will even things out - acquisitions of top-level players. Our league doesn't do MUCH of it, but it does happen, and as it happens, it will balance things out.
I don't see it as that big of a deal. We are talking about 1 team every 2 years, if the right circumstance arises. That circumstance has now passed for next year, considering how many high quality draft picks there will be, and the year after that, the keepers will be first time keepers in most cases. We are 3 years before it could really be an issue again, and again it would really only effect 1 team.
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Ziggy,
Actually, it affects one team every year. And I'm okay with that. It provides one LOSING team the opportunity to say "I'm keeping my best player longer" at the cost of not getting another top-level player that can help them.
Personally, I'm okay with it as it stands.
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Oh well. It's probably better that I give up LeBron after the season. I truly, honestly feel that I would get sick of having the same keepers year after year and would end up trading Marion and LeBron sooner than later. In fact, I came very close to trading one or both to ziggy this year. If Zig had a better second keeper, I probably would've pulled the trigger.
Anyway, I think it's inevitable that we will all eventually get sick of having the same keepers year after year, which is why since its birth, I have thought the system we have in place is pretty well designed, but pretty much unnecessary.
I know we've settled it long ago, and I am on board with it, but my opinion is still either keep the keeper system simple and let people have keepers as long as they want them (which will not be as long as you fear) or do away with keepers. Make the draft REALLY exciting each year.
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Ziggy,
Actually, it affects one team every year. And I'm okay with that. It provides one LOSING team the opportunity to say "I'm keeping my best player longer" at the cost of not getting another top-level player that can help them.
Personally, I'm okay with it as it stands.
I recognize that it "can" happen every year, but doesn't mean that it will happen. For instance assume Ted has the #1 pick again next year. He will not be able to keep James or Marion, so is he also not going to keep his next best keeper, so that he can draft them #1? Not likely considering the majority of the best players in the league are going to available in the draft. He will keep his best 2 avilable players, and try and get the best overall player in the draft.
The following season, he will then have new keepers, because of who was available in the draft the previous year. Not until this crop of keepers, has gone through the process will this issue arise again.
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Well, age will also become an issue. While Shaq is a keeper now in 2 years I doubt that he will still have that status. Same for Nash or Kidd.
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Okay, let's get these next couple of weeks over with quick! I wanna draft!
I'm pretty excited about the draft - probably more pumped up about this draft than I was any of the others. I've been chatting with Skander and Caleb, and I think the excitement around here is definitely building.
Randy - just so it's said, we have multiple computers at my place, so if you're at all interested in doing the draft up here in Columbia, just say the word. I think Skander's coming over for the draft. Caleb, unfortunately, is stuck in St. Louis. Of course, given the fact that you're picking right before me, prepare for a barrage of obscenities in the event you take the people I want!
WayOut - please keep in mind that this is probably your BEST opportunity to pay Skander back for stealing your draft sheet two years ago. Don't waste it! Besides - you screwing Skander over encourages Skander to screw Caleb over, plus, you can be sure Skander is planning on stealing all of YOUR players in the even-numbered rounds!
Skander and I were talking about tons of various late-round players last eve, and it should get interesting in late rounds. There will be lots of "speculation" players out there.
This is going to be fun!
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WayOut - please keep in mind that this is probably your BEST opportunity to pay Skander back for stealing your draft sheet two years ago. Don't waste it! Besides - you screwing Skander over encourages Skander to screw Caleb over, plus, you can be sure Skander is planning on stealing all of YOUR players in the even-numbered rounds!
Don't listen to him, WOW, we'll have a nice and cooperative draft won't we? I'll let you have the players you want and you'll let me have the players I want, and we'll keep on keepin' on.
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Randy, it would be fun if you do want to come up and do the draft.
For now I want you to remember how well Gerald Wallace and Jeff Foster did for you. Have you got the utter lack of production and waste of roster space feeling visualized, is it to the forefront of your memory. The disappointment, the inability, the agony of defeat thanks to those two players who did squat for you. Now I want you to remember that Joe Vancil gave you those players, Randy. Joe unleashed those two unholy beacons of mediocrity on your team, Randy, please remember that!!
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Amare's out 4 months.
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Amare's out 4 months.
I am OK with Caleb replacing Amare if he wishes. I think it is against the spirit of the group not to at least allow him that option.
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I agree.
I am especially sympathetic since I have Amare in my other keeper league :(
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Wow. Makes for an interesting pick. With additional roster sizes, and knowing you'd have Stoudemire for the two years following....and someone is bound to take him early if they don't have their settings set up to NOT take him and they miss the draft....
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If Caleb lets him into the draft I would seriously consider taking him with the 12th or 13th pick. Mostly because of Joe's reasoning....he won't help this year until after the all-star break but then I have a top keeper for two more years.
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It's an interesting dilemna for Caleb with Amare. I would definately pick him up in the 1st round -- no doubt about it. He can sit on my bench all year long. As for allowing him to choose a different keeper -- all for that too (and not just because I would like a chance to pick him up! :rofl: ).
Thanks for the offer, Joe, I'm not sure that I will be able to work that out. I am helping install a sound system that day and I have told them that I have to go draft my players in the middle. If that day clears, I will let you know.
On a side note, I got GREAT seats given to me for the Tigers game with Iowa on Saturday -- 50 yard line, row 12. Unfortunately, I will not be able to go -- it's sooo much fun razzing my older brother about catching a game when I can get great seats (got front row on the 30 last year).
Actually, Jeff Foster did me well during the time when JO was down. My rebound stats were KILLING me -- and I NEVER found an opportunity to play Rip Hamilton (he was always sitting on my bench because I had better players at the SG position and he didn't help me in the rebounding department). He actually played better for Joe than he did me. I dropped Wallace almost as soon as the trade happened. I don't count that trade against Joey V. BUT if I can mess up his draft, it certainly would hurt my feelings. :cheers: Send me a list of who Joey V. is going to draft, Skander -- I'd love to go down and choose every player he wants! :rofl:
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Send me a list of who Joey V. is going to draft, Skander -- I'd love to go down and choose every player he wants!
:bounce: That's the spirit Randy, expect an e-mail in the next week detailing his draft strategy. :bounce:
Amare's out 4 months.
As is pretty much the sentiment, I don't have a problem if Caleb wants to switch keepers, although he'll have to decide if he wants to risk not having him on the roster as it seems like everyone (without a C at least) is picking him up in the first round.
And Caleb, *MAN* that really sucks about Amare. Injury's suck, on my ABC superteam, I've lost Deuce McAllister and Javon Walker for the season to the SAME injury.
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Oh yeah, Randy? Well, just remember, on the way back, I'll take all the players YOU want...
...you know, that's just doesn't work. A team filled with a bunch of Lakers and Jeff Foster just doesn't seem like much of a "threat" for me to be making!
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Hmm, Joe, I seem to remember faring pretty well against you last year. In fact, my biggest problem at the end of the year (granted several others had this problem too) was the fact that either my players sat or they were injuried toward the last of the season. I remember being a little tentative looking across you with those big fangs and claws but once I realized the fangs were plastic and the claws were really Ms. Lee press on nails, it wasn't so bad going head to head with your flea ridden carcass.
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Randy,
True. You won 6-5 against me in week 2, and lost to me, 6-5 in week 13. Apparently, as the year went on, somehow, my team got stronger, or yours got weaker, or both.
I wonder how that happened.
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...the claws were really Ms. Lee press on nails, it wasn't so bad going head to head with your flea ridden carcass.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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So are keepers totally finalized now?
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Well, I just got back from Vegas, and what do I find? My best keeper is out half of the season! Just terrific...
I must say, I'm very much screwed now, and that's regardless of whether or not I keep him. If I keep him, he's out half of the year. Enough said. If I don't, there is no one else on my roster from last season that I like enough to keep given the way I want to build my team.
Consequently - and this may be stupid - I'm going to keep him. He helps me in many different categories and I'd rather have his production for half the year than someone else's production for the whole year.
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Good decision. I feel ya Wolverine. I have him in my other keeper league and Jason Richardson is my next best keeper. Ugh.
Had you not kept him, he wouldn't have gotten past me at 6.
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Good decision. I feel ya Wolverine. I have him in my other keeper league and Jason Richardson is my next best keeper. Ugh.
Had you not kept him, he wouldn't have gotten past me at 6.
There was a chance he wouldn't get past number 1.