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PhillyArena Community => NBA Discussion => Topic started by: westkoast on August 08, 2005, 11:24:08 AM
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If you were able to mix and match parts from any coach past or presence to make the one super coach you feel could lead your team to the promise land what parts would you chose and why?
For example:
One part Phil Jackson's ability to manage egos because the pre-madonnas in this league are never going to leave only continue to multiply.
One part Pop's ability to motivate players to play tough defense for 48 minutes because this league seems to have Mavericks-syndrome.
(Just as an example of course)
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Cool speculation.
I would pick as a main coach and the driving force behind the coaching ability, Pat Riley, for his skill at getting 110% out his players, for his offensive mindset, and innovations in setting up plays, his ability to make adjustments, and his drive for perfection. I would add Larry Browns defensive coaching skills, and his incredible focus on fundamentals, actually Chuck Daly would fill this slot just as well. I would also add a little of Jerry Sloans discipline and his focus on set play perfection, i.e. his virtually undefendable pick and roll, and his ability to spot talent. I would add in a little of Phil Jackson's ability to manage most difficult players, and his unflappable ability to let players play through tough stretches. Throw in Popovich's ability to control tempo and I think this would be the either the greatest coach to ever live or the most schitzophrenic disaster to ever step on the hardwood.
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Cool speculation.
I would pick as a main coach and the driving force behind the coaching ability, Pat Riley, for his skill at getting 110% out his players, for his offensive mindset, and innovations in setting up plays, his ability to make adjustments, and his drive for perfection. I would add Larry Browns defensive coaching skills, and his incredible focus on fundamentals, actually Chuck Daly would fill this slot just as well. I would also add a little of Jerry Sloans discipline and his focus on set play perfection, i.e. his virtually undefendable pick and roll, and his ability to spot talent. I would add in a little of Phil Jackson's ability to manage most difficult players, and his unflappable ability to let players play through tough stretches. Throw in Popovich's ability to control tempo and I think this would be the either the greatest coach to ever live or the most schitzophrenic disaster to ever step on the hardwood.
IMO if I had to choose Riley or Sloan when it comes to trying to get the most of their players I am going to go with Sloan. Only because Riley's coaching style is not something that would work on all players/teams. When you have guys like Magic, Worthy, Coopers, Rambis etc etc etc etc this work your tail off to get a good end result would work. Nowadays? Sloan's more mild (at least compared to Riles) take on this would work out better in this period of time.
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I agree to a point, Sloan's and Riley's styles are similar in that they expect perfection and 100% effort all the time. Where they diverge I think is that Riley was master of in game and half time adjustments and substitutions whereas Sloans adjustments and substitutions have to baffle even Ted. Also Riley was never so rigid in his play selection so as to stifle the talents of the teams he coached, especially the Lakers, Sloan has never been that creative, Riley would let his team run and create.
I know that today's NBA players are a different breed from when Riley coached (more's the pity), but that's why I threw in Phil Jackson's ability to manage such spoiled rotten little prima donna's. Personally I long for the days when a task master like Riley or Aurbach took no lip from anyone and a good coach was as feared as he was respected.
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I think I would start with Tim Floyd for his ability to coach the triangle, and add in a dash of Dick Versase for his general baskeball knowledge, a smidgen of Sidney Lowe for game management, a heaping helping of Stu Jackson for his ability to meet out punishment, a pinch of Butch Carter for his ability to withstand criticism, a dollop of Bill Cartwright to coach the guards, a teaspoon full of Frank Hamblin to handle damage control, a scoop full of Kevin Loughery for his proven record of success, a chunk of Gene Shue for his hair, a cup full of Dick Vitale for his ability to scout foreign players BABY, and finally cross lines into baseball and slather on a little Earl Weaver to deal with the officials.
With that mutation I could not be beat :cheers: .
PS - Holy Choke the Coach Batman I forgot PJ Carlisemo for his highly effective motivational skills.
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I think I would start with Tim Floyd for his ability to coach the triangle, and add in a dash of Dick Versase for his general baskeball knowledge, a smidgen of Sidney Lowe for game management, a heaping helping of Stu Jackson for his ability to meet out punishment, a pinch of Butch Carter for his ability to withstand criticism, a dollop of Bill Cartwright to coach the guards, a teaspoon full of Frank Hamblin to handle damage control, a scoop full of Kevin Loughery for his proven record of success, a chunk of Gene Shue for his hair, a cup full of Dick Vitale for his ability to scout foreign players BABY, and finally cross lines into baseball and slather on a little Earl Weaver on to deal with the officials.
With that mutation I could not be beat :cheers: .
LMAO!!!
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My coach would have the devotion of execution and accept-no-nonsense-and-no-excuses way of Jerry Sloan. In fact, let's start with Sloan as a template. If I don't specify something from someone else, let's assume I'm picking Sloan's attribute.
For management of ego and management of officials, I'll take Phil Jackson.
For innovation and creativity, I'll take that from Don Nelson. He is not, however, allowed to bring fish ties to the equation.
For ability to bring a clubhouse in distress together, I'll take Paul Silas.
For defensive design, I'll take a smidgen each of Del Harris, Tim Grgurich, and Gregg Popovich.
For offensive design, give me half Jerry Sloan, 1/4 Rick Carlisle, and 1/4 Flip Saunders.
For in-game adjustments, give me Larry Brown.
For organizational devotion, I'll take Rudy Tomjanovich.
For player development and inspiration, give me Doc Rivers. I'll take a smidgen of Grgurich for player development, and a smidgen of Pat Riley for inspiration.
For dealing with the media, give me Hubie Brown. Also, for basketball knowledge, give me 1/2 Hubie Brown and 1/2 Del Harris.
For ability to deal with the general manager, give me Gregg Popovich.
For advance scouting, give me former coach Garry St. Jean.
And for visibility, give me Kevin Loughery. Just visibility...not behavior.
And for communication skills, give me 1/2 Billy Cunningham and 1/2 Chuck Daly.
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For advance scouting, give me former coach Garry St. Jean.
Oh was that the one redeeming basketball skill he had? I have been wondering about that for years.
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ziggy,
Yeah, that was it. He was Don Nelson's top assistant in Milwaukee, and highly regarded as the top advance scout and best assistant in the league. No one could touch him. He finally got the promotion, and somehow, the guy actually moved up the food chain despite never being any good at anything else. Go figure.
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For locker room cohesiveness and chemistry:
Bill Russell
For sheer charisma and communication skills:
Larry Bird
For Defensive Schemes:
George Karl - Press
George Karl - Zone
Pat Riley - Man to Man
For Offensive Schemes:
Doug Moe - Run-n-Gun
Red Holzman - Half-court Offense
For In-Game Adjustments:
Hubie Brown
For Motivation and Coolness Under Pressure:
Red Auerbach
The ability to make the most of a player's talent:
Rick Adelman
For stability:
Jerry Sloan
Scouting/Draft Strategy:
The Colangelo family (yes I know neither has ever been a coach...)
....and I guess I'll take Phil Jackson as my Psyche Chaplain, too.
I don't think this person would be able to sustain psychological or emotional sanity in society, but man what a hell of a coach, eh?
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For locker room cohesiveness and chemistry:
Bill Russell
For sheer charisma and communication skills:
Larry Bird
For Defensive Schemes:
George Karl - Press
George Karl - Zone
Pat Riley - Man to Man
For Offensive Schemes:
Doug Moe - Run-n-Gun
Red Holzman - Half-court Offense
For In-Game Adjustments:
Hubie Brown
For Motivation and Coolness Under Pressure:
Red Auerbach
The ability to make the most of a player's talent:
Rick Adelman
For stability:
Jerry Sloan
Scouting/Draft Strategy:
The Colangelo family (yes I know neither has ever been a coach...)
....and I guess I'll take Phil Jackson as my Psyche Chaplain, too.
I don't think this person would be able to sustain psychological or emotional sanity in society, but man what a hell of a coach, eh?
Skand,
Who says an overweight 145 year old man smoking a huge cigar ripping out his slick backed hair because his team isnt running fast enough and the star player is complaining about playing with a bad back cannot be stable in society?
Thanks guys for making me feel like im still in pampers...
I read names like 'Red Holzman' and go :huh:
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Whoops double post