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PhillyArena Community => NBA Discussion => Topic started by: ziggy on July 22, 2005, 03:46:16 PM
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Bonzi Wells to Sacramento
Bobby Jackson and Kirk Snyder to Memphis
Greg Ostertag to Utah
In essense Jazz give up 14th pick in last years draft for Ostertag. I am sorry but that is pathetic. Portland should have taken Snyder instead of Telfair????
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very nice trade for memphis.
but utah needs a perimeter player more than another frontcourt guy, no?
*scratches head*
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BTW, I think Telfair will be better than Snyder.
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This was from the Sacto Bee
The Kings on Friday agreed to trade one of their mainstays when they dealt guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Bonzi Wells. The deal is part of a three-way trade that will send Ostertag back to the Utah Jazz for young swingman Kurt Snyder, center Curtis Borchardt and guard Raul Lopez.
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Bonzi Wells to Sacramento
Bobby Jackson and Kirk Snyder to Memphis
Greg Ostertag to Utah
In essense Jazz give up 14th pick in last years draft for Ostertag. I am sorry but that is pathetic. Portland should have taken Snyder instead of Telfair????
Look at the ticker on this deal.
The Jazz gave up more then just Snyder, but Borchardt and Lopez to the Grizzlies as well.
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BTW, I think Telfair will be better than Snyder.
Derek,
I still remember that you said from day 1 (draft day 2004), that you thought Telfair would be a good NBA player, and that he was a better pick than Snyder. Your opinion made me give Telfair another look, and I am glad we picked him. I think he can be a very solid NBA PG.
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I have to add that I do NOT like Bonzi Wells. As a ball player, he is very good, but at some point you have to consider the citizenship of the guys who represent your team and this guy came out of a cesspool.
I will reconsider once we find out what is on his mind, and Adelman has a good track record in taking on the headaches from other teams and getting good production and reinvigorated players out of deals Petrie has pulled off, such as with Chris Webber, Doug Christie, Jon Barry, Jimmy Jackson, Jason Williams, among others.
Petrie usually got these players at undervalued rates, Adelman turned them around on the court, then they picked up their problems at the door as they left once again.
Hmmm.
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I have to add that I do NOT like Bonzi Wells. As a ball player, he is very good, but at some point you have to consider the citizenship of the guys who represent your team and this guy came out of a cesspool.
I will reconsider once we find out what is on his mind, and Adelman has a good track record in taking on the headaches from other teams and getting good production and reinvigorated players out of deals Petrie has pulled off, such as with Chris Webber, Doug Christie, Jon Barry, Jimmy Jackson, Jason Williams, among others.
Petrie usually got these players at undervalued rates, Adelman turned them around on the court, then they picked up their problems at the door as they left once again.
Hmmm.
Jomal,
Good luck with Bonzi.................................. you are going to need it. I was actually thrilled when we ditched him. One thing with Bonzi, his production has dropped for 4 straight years
Points per game
01-02 - 17.0
02-03 - 15.2
03-04 - 12.3
04-05 - 10.4
He will be 29 in September, so he should have a few more good years ahead of him, IF he can get it turned around. Only have 1 year left on his deal, so the risk is minimal.
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From everything I have heard about him, this has the looks of a disasterous situation. He just is not up to the challenges associated with being in the NBA spotlight.
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From everything I have heard about him, this has the looks of a disasterous situation. He just is not up to the challenges associated with being in the NBA spotlight.
The biggest part of success in the NBA is being in the right situation at the right time. Bonzi was in a good situation in Portland in 01-02, and it quickly became a bad situation (in no small measure due to Bonzi, but that is another issue entirely). He got traded to Memphis which had 3 other quality players at the same positions Bonzi played and he could not find his role.
As the replacement for Doug Christie, Bonzi might thrive. He is good in passing lanes, can post up very well, and is a very streaky offensive player. He is also in a contract year, and if he doesn't bring it he is looking at $3 million a year at best on his next contract.
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Someone PLEASE help me understand why the Jazz pull this trade? They actually want Greg Ostertag back? Why?
The Kings made a MAJOR mistake -- they let Mobley go (who IS a better player than Bonzi) to get Bonzi? Yeah, like they don't have enough chemistry problems!!! :rofl:
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This is Utah's payroll this year before the trade, and also what the 3 players they traded away are due next year
Player 2005/06 2006/07
Carlos Boozer $11,593,816 $11,593,816
Andrei Kirilenko $10,967,500 $12,338,437
Mehmet Okur $8,250,000 $8,250,000
Matt Harpring $4,545,000 $0
Gordan Giricek $4,000,000 $4,000,000
Deron Williams (contract hasn't been finalized yet)
Curtis Borchardt $1,969,993 $3,033,789
Raul Lopez $1,744,312 $2,550,185
Kris Humphries $1,592,400 $1,703,520
Kirk Snyder $1,437,240 $1,537,440
Keith McLeod $937,500 $0
CJ Miles $0 $0 $0 $0
TOTALS: $46,100,261 $39,423,213
They are giving up $5,151,545 this year, and bring back $4,400,000. Ostertag's deal ends this year, and next year Utah was due to pay the 3 $7,121,414. They will have a payroll of $41 million next.
It was all about cap space.
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Genius.
Ah Zig-meister, for goodness sake, where do you get all this information.
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On the Bonzi trade, I like the minimal risk of his contract should he go bananas and I'm a Rick Adelman believer, get the stray jacket and call me crazy. I think Adelman will make a producer out of Bonzi.
I agree with Randy, Mobley is a better player, but I was of the impression that Sacto just couldn't affort the long-term deal Cuttino demanded. JoMal I could use a second opinion of why they let Cuttino go in the first place.
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First off, it was Mobley who opted out of the final year of his contract, stating that he would be selling his services to the highest bidder. Sacramento essentially has the exception to show players, or they had the option of a sign and trade if Cutino would agree. He chose neither. The Kings' ownership has no interest in paying more luxury tax on their payroll, so the only real choice open to them involving Mobley was a sign and trade that would bring expiring contracts.
The Kings got a expiring contract with Wells, which should work out pretty well I suppose, if Bonzi plays out his mental nonsense as he appears to always do.
Also, Mobley wants to act. He really wanted to sign with an LA team over all others.
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First off, it was Mobley who opted out of the final year of his contract, stating that he would be selling his services to the highest bidder. Sacramento essentially has the exception to show players, or they had the option of a sign and trade if Cutino would agree. He chose neither. The Kings' ownership has no interest in paying more luxury tax on their payroll, so the only real choice open to them involving Mobley was a sign and trade that would bring expiring contracts.
The Kings got a expiring contract with Wells, which should work out pretty well I suppose, if Bonzi plays out his mental nonsense as he appears to always do.
Also, Mobley wants to act. He really wanted to sign with an LA team over all others.
Wow, isn't it interesting what a few years can bring? A few years ago the Maloof's were thumbing their nose and the league and the luxury tax and now are hurting their present team in their insistence by not paying any more luxury tax (shouldn't they have thought about that before giving max contracts and overpaying players like Bibby?). Hmm, is their new casino in Vegas hurting their pocketbooks? :rofl:
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Rich owners kind of crack me up.
On the one hand, they go hat in hand to some players, like Corliss Williamson, to personnally woo them to resign with the team, then let Petrie trade him for Christie later. They resign Webber to the biggest contract outside of LA, then can't resign players like Jimmy Jackson and Mobley because they realyzed that the League actually was serious about that luxury tax payment.
They just keep passing the mistakes of other owners around the League like so many Vegas poker chips.