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The Duelfer Report
« on: October 14, 2004, 11:05:17 AM »
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Have War Critics Even
Read the Duelfer Report?

By RICHARD SPERTZEL
October 14, 2004; Page A18

After the release of the Iraq Survey Group's Duelfer report, the headlines blazed "No WMD Found." Most stories continued by saying that Iraq did not constitute an imminent threat to the U.S. and thus the U.S. was wrong to eliminate that threat. This reflects the notion that Iraq was only a threat if it had military munitions filled with WMD. The claim "Iraq was not an imminent threat" was also expounded by pundits that seemingly crawled out of the woodwork as well as those opposed to President Bush. But have these individuals read carefully the report before engaging in such anti-Bush rhetoric?

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While no facilities were found producing chemical or biological agents on a large scale, many clandestine laboratories operating under the Iraqi Intelligence Services were found to be engaged in small-scale production of chemical nerve agents, sulfur mustard, nitrogen mustard, ricin, aflatoxin, and other unspecified biological agents. These laboratories were also evaluating whether various poisons would change the texture, smell or appearance of foodstuffs. These aspects of the ISG report have been ignored by the pundits and press. Did these constitute an imminent threat? Perhaps it depends how you define "threat."

The chemical section reports that the M16 Directorate "had a plan to produce and weaponize nitrogen mustard in rifle grenades and a plan to bottle sarin and sulfur mustard in perfume sprayers and medicine bottles which they would ship to the United States and Europe." Are we to believe this plan existed because they liked us? Or did they wish to do us harm? The major threat posed by Iraq, in my opinion, was the support it gave to terrorists in general, and its own terrorist activity.

The ISG was also told that "ricin was being developed into stable liquid to deliver as an aerosol" in various munitions. Such development was not just for assassination. If Iraq was successful in developing an aerosolizable ricin, it made a significant step forward. The development had to be for terrorist delivery. Even on a small scale this must be considered as a WMD.

Biological agents, delivered on a small scale (terrorist delivery) can maim or kill a large number of people. The Iraqi Intelligence organizations had a history of conducting tests on humans with chemical and biological substances that went beyond assassination studies. While many of these were in the 1970s and 1980s, multiple documents and testimony indicate that such testing continued through the 1990s and into the next millennium, perhaps as late as 2002. Do we wait until such weapons are used against our domestic population before we act? Is that the way that some people wish to have the U.S. protected from terrorist activity?

It is asserted that Iraq was not supporting terrorists. Really? Documentation indicates that Iraq was training non-Iraqis at Salman Pak in terrorist techniques, including assassination and suicide bombing. In addition to Iraqis, trainees included Palestinians, Yemenis, Saudis, Lebanese, Egyptians and Sudanese.

As for the U.N. inspection system preventing such R&D, why did Iraq not declare these clandestine laboratories to Unscom and Unmovic and why did these inspection agencies not discover these laboratories? Might it have been that there were multiple informants working inside Unscom and Unmovic that kept the Iraqi Intelligence Service informed as to what sites were to be inspected? Information collected by ISG indicates that this was the case. In late 2002 and early 2003, equipment and materials were removed from several sites 24 hours before U.N. inspections. Such informants were said to be active since 1993. Ergo, no surprise inspections.

Furthermore, sanctions were rapidly eroding. Unscom was aware of this erosion but not to the degree that apparently developed post 1998. The accounts of bribery of officials from several countries that were pushing for lifting or weakening sanctions are legend and have been extensively reported this past week. Inspections can not be effective without the full support of the U.N. Security Council. Such full support did not exist from late 1996 onward. Perhaps, now we know why. Iraq exploited the power of wealth in the form of oil to buy influence in the Security Council and within governments throughout the World. This has now been well documented.

Was Iraq an imminent threat? With the regime's intention and the activity of its intelligence organizations, and with the proven futility of uncovering its clandestine laboratory operations by the U.N. inspectors, it is hard to draw any other conclusion. Regretfully, terrorism is the wave of the future. The report by Charles Duelfer is unclassified and makes very interesting reading for those who really want to know. For those with a closed mind, it will be a waste of time.

Mr. Spertzel, head of the biological-weapons section of Unscom from 1994-99, just returned from Iraq, where he has been a member of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG).
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2004, 11:50:39 AM »
People aren't interested in the facts but I think there are several things that are quite interesting about the report.

1) It states quite clearly that the sanctions were NOT working.  Saddam found a way around it.  Did the Iraqi people have enough medicine, food, etc.?  Probably not -- the sanctions worked on them but Saddam has never cared about them anyway.  

2) It states quite clearly that France and Russia broke agreements and sanctions by working with Saddam.  And according to lots of people (including Kerry), these are the people that we are supposed to get authorization from BEFORE going to war.  Yeah, like France and Russia would have EVER authorized that -- it would have interrupted their ability for Saddam to pass money under the table to them!

3) It's quite clear, that while Saddam did NOT have WMD, he obviously WANTED them.  

4) I don't believe Saddam has ANYTHING to do with Al-Queda but there are few out there who supported terrorism more than Saddam.  

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2004, 11:51:24 AM »
Quote
People aren't interested in the facts but I think there are several things that are quite interesting about the report.

1) It states quite clearly that the sanctions were NOT working.  Saddam found a way around it.  Did the Iraqi people have enough medicine, food, etc.?  Probably not -- the sanctions worked on them but Saddam has never cared about them anyway.  

2) It states quite clearly that France and Russia broke agreements and sanctions by working with Saddam.  And according to lots of people (including Kerry), these are the people that we are supposed to get authorization from BEFORE going to war.  Yeah, like France and Russia would have EVER authorized that -- it would have interrupted their ability for Saddam to pass money under the table to them!

3) It's quite clear, that while Saddam did NOT have WMD, he obviously WANTED them.  

4) I don't believe Saddam has ANYTHING to do with Al-Queda but there are few out there who supported terrorism more than Saddam.
Warning, the preceeding post was not authorized by the media that is only interested in reporting "the truth!"

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2004, 12:18:22 PM »
While Iraq was accused of developing WMD, no actual proof has been presented, either in this article or anywhere else. Chemical weapons may have been worked on, but the likelihood of their use against the U.S. has also never been provided. Saddam was much more interested in local and neighboring areas then anything else.

Iran, on the other hand, DOES have WMD and are buying nuclear supplies from Russia to develop nuclear power more fully. They also have clear ties to terrorist groups.

Oh, yes. They are on record as despising the U.S. Really don't like us. Don't want our help even when a devastating earthquake strikes the country. Do not really want any of us on the planet. None. They are very interested in eraticating anything American. Did I mention that they really hate us in IRANNNNNNNNNN, while before the war, IRAQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ was more interested in dodging UN inspectors and purging their own country of unwanted enemies, but with so many economic ties to European countries, they probably did not feel any great desire to disrupt the cash cow?

Maybe Bush just did a Freudian slip kind of thing when that terror report crossed his desk and he "misread" the threat.

Ira'n', Ira'q'. What's one silly letter? They both are somewhere in the Middle East anyway. Who will notice if we are off by one country? It must be the biggest of coincidences that Cheney's former company did business in Iraq and still had ties to associates there. Iran would not even pick up the damned phone when he called, offering a few billion in "services". But I have to say that Cheney could have at least wiped the drool off his face when he viewed those Iraqi oil fields just sitting there, waiting for his "experts" to make them flow straight into his pockets....er the U.S. oil reserve.  

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2004, 12:23:20 PM »
Someone last night was telling me last night about an article written  by the shrink who is working with Sadaam sasying his (Sadaam) view on what has gone on is the exact opposite of what Bush believes.  Sadaam really thought that the CIA was better at what they do than they are.  He thought for sure the CIA was in the country and knew he got rid of the nuclear weapons.  No one had the weavos to tell Sadaam he was wrong in fear of what he would do to them.  According the the doctor Sadaam thought he was making the relations better by gett rid of the nukes and that the US would stay between Iran and Iraq.  Not neccesarily like Iraq but be somewhat of a moderator.
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